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rossi - 14.06.2006, 03:01 Uhr
Titel: Installation Problems with Kanotix

DearKanotix People:

I am really angry by now.

It's about 10:00 pm in the evening, and I have tried unsuccessfully to install KANOTIX Easter-Preview RC4 (May 14 2006) two times. This is my fourth time overall.

What a waste of my time!

Below is the most recent advice I obtained from a previous post:

"You'd be better off starting with kanotix-2006-easter-rc4 (preview to the left). This would have the correct authentication keys and would also avoid the xorg7 update. (use fix-script wget -Nc http://kanotix.com/files/fix-xorg7.sh and run it after dist-upgrade - see site/forum for more information - this is what's probably caused most of your problems). There was also a dbus / hal problem that the later preview release would solve."

FORGET IT !!!!!!

I tried the above receipe twice and got the exact same results.

I am trying to install Kanotix on an IBM ThinkPad T23.

Let's assume for the moment I am not an idiot. In fact, I recently left the IBM T. J. Watson Research Center where I was involved with high performance computing and teaching scientists at customer sites how to use IBM POWER5 systems for a position as a professor at the City University of New York.

This experience makes me long for AIX.

Just what is going on? How do you make this work?

I am looking at my T23 that is now hanging on reboot after anapt-get dist-upgrade. This is what the colsole says:

Synthesizing the iinitial hotplug events .../etc/rcS.d/ line 259 ... command not found
.....
.....

Starting K Display Manager: kdm
Not starting X display manager (xdm); it is not the default display manager.
INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes.
...
INIT Id "6" respawning to fast : disabled for 5 minutes.

I would like to do some research before the summer is over.

Can one of the Kanotix wizzards tell me what is really going on here?

This is really unacceptable and frankly disappointing.

Angelo R. Rossi

jiro - 14.06.2006, 03:28 Uhr
Titel: RE: Really Angry with Kanotix

1. calm down, learn some manners: you're "really angy with Kanotix"??? exactly how much money did you pay for this supposedly defective OS??? or does someone owe you something??? maybe you're frustrated b/c you're having trouble despite your background, but put a sock in it. you're more likely to get someone to freely give of their time and expertise if you don't start off with an attitude

2. let's start with the basics: did the LiveCD boot up correctly? did the original install complete successfully? since you seem to identify a dist-upgrade as the source of your problem, it seems likely that your original install went well. if so, use it - dist-upgrading is not necessary to productively use kanotix. that is for those who want to have "cutting edge" software and don't mind occasionally breaking their system. if you need to do productive work - "research" - then don't dist-upgrade

3. if you insist on dist-upgrading (many do) then know that sometimes your system will break and you will need to figure out a fix - hopefully by finding it posted on this forum. but no one on this forum is going to give you anything equivalent to paid 24/7 support - if you want/need that level of support, you're better off buying a commercial linux distro like SUSE or Red Hat

Zode - 14.06.2006, 03:52 Uhr
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Angelo,

I have been running Kanotix for about a year on an IBM Thinkpad A31, 1.8 GHz P4 with 1GB RAM. This is not too dissimilar from your T23. I first ran the 2005-03 release, then I installed the 2005-04 release. I only ran the released version, and I never attempted an apt-get dist upgrade, because I knew that this would be risky and unnecessary.

From your other posts, you have installed Kanotix on a Thinkpad T41, a Thinkpad T23, and some dual-core Intel machine. After they were installed, you messed with them to try to put the latest unstable code on them.

Please note the section entitled "Stable Releases" on the Kanotix home page, and try one of those, and once it is installed, don't mess with it unnecessarily.

Let's assume I am not an idiot...I was with IBM for 21 years before delving into the world of Linux, and I've seen numerous examples of the "if it ain't broke..." rule in action.

Try installing 2005-04 on your T23 and then use it...without messing with a dist upgrade. Then, wait for Kano to release 2006-01 or whatever it will be called, and upgrade or reinstall at that time.

If you're going to do research, you probably need a system based on the most stable platform, not bleeding-edge Debian Unstable via a dist-upgrade.

Best Regards.

piper - 14.06.2006, 04:05 Uhr
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I agree, if you are doing research and can't mess up your system DON'T use dist-upgrade or simply use Debian Sarge

bluewater - 14.06.2006, 04:19 Uhr
Titel:

Angelo

Looks like youve been having trouble left right and centre.

One thing to be very carfuk of is how you burn the Kanotix ISO, as an incoreect method often is the case of most initial install problems.

You need to burn the ISO an an image,, not data this method is called DAO

DAO stands for Disc At Once.The recorder burns the entire disc in one session.Kanotix uses high compression technology (not the same Knoppix does);special care is needed when burning the CD;use high quality CD-media [or DVD+RW] and burn in DAO-mode not faster than 8x.

If you ae using a MS operating system make it easy and go to http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/utilities.html and download a very small app called Burn CDCC , it can only burn in an ISO format..

If you using Nero, ensure the the the burn is marked as DAO, the button to choose the method to burn is not the easiest to find if you are rushing.

PS Dont rush to do a d-u.. just do an apt-get update and DL any extra apps you want to use. and wait for the final to come out, it may save you breaking the install

devil - 14.06.2006, 05:47 Uhr
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rossi,
i told you last night how to get the keys easily: again:
apt-get install kanotix-keyrings
nothing to be angry about, just for yer security.
so please come down.
i told you about the xorg transition as well, and what to do about it.
so why not use these solutions instead of bitching about?

greetz
devil

Gowator - 14.06.2006, 08:47 Uhr
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Either you are really unlucky or you are doing the same mistakes again and again.
Since you claim to be an expert you should know the keys are not critical ...
Did you dist-upgrade with X open?
What were your exact steps? try substituting some detail in place of sarcasm ?

Zitat:

I would like to do some research before the summer is over.

Well you could start by looking at the xorg log in /var/log/Xorg.0.log , providing us with the details of your graphics card and not bother with the dist-upgrade until you are more familiar and sure everything is working.

Try a lspci -v to get the details of your graphics card.

Remember noone is being paid for this support, quoting IBM model numbers and expecting us to look up the spec is not a good way to get help...

horo - 14.06.2006, 09:43 Uhr
Titel: Re: Really Angry with Kanotix

rossi hat folgendes geschrieben::

I am looking at my T23 that is now hanging on reboot after anapt-get dist-upgrade. This is what the colsole says:

Synthesizing the iinitial hotplug events .../etc/rcS.d/ line 259 ... command not found
.....

did your a-g d-u finish _WITHOUT_ any error message?
It's important that you fix any errors _before_ doing a reboot, because your system may be in an inconsistant state. I ran into this problem _once_ in my life and had to use the live-cd to fix it.
Boot live-cd
get your network running
mount your / partition (e.g. mount /dev/hda1 /mnt)
chroot /mnt
apt-get -f install
- maybe you have to do some fixes (multicd???) - ask here or at irc (#kanotix) - fix them
errors about /dev/null aren't fatal - ignore them
^D
umount /mnt
cross your fingers - reboot (from hd)
from console _WITHOUT_ running X (init 2) do a-g u and a-g d-u

HTH

Ciao Martin

slam - 14.06.2006, 09:48 Uhr
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IBM T23 is fully supported - I hav installed Kanotix on a bunch of these machines for a client without any problems.
So, for these (obscure) problems there are just a few possible reasons:

a) Bad Burn
As said above, burn on good quality CD-R in DAO mode not faster than 8x, and check the md5sum afterwards (do it, really!)

b) Hardware Defect
Always possible, notebook hard drives don't live forever - check it with a low level tool from the manufacturer (or use the free SeaTools, which handles most hdd quite well)

c) Bios Bug
Yes, notebook bios is often buggy. You might not recognizing it while using Win, but Linux and newer kernels are very strict about correct bios. Get the latest update for your bios from IBM, apply default settings, and try again. If you still have problems, try one of the various cheat codes at boot time (irqpoll in your case, most likely).

d) Dist-Upgrade
As mentioned already above - there is no reason at all to dist-upgrade the Easter edition by now, if you don't want to experiment.

e) Community Style
We are a community of volunteers - everybody here is striving hard to deliver a fine free open source operating system, together with great free support. So, keep that in mind before you write.

Zitat:

Let's assume for the moment I am not an idiot. In fact, I recently left the IBM T. J. Watson Research Center where I was involved with high performance computing and teaching scientists at customer sites how to use IBM POWER5 systems for a position as a professor at the City University of New York.

Well, be assured that most people here ar no idiots, either. Winken

Greetings,
Chris

rossi - 14.06.2006, 14:21 Uhr
Titel: Re: RE: Really Angry with Kanotix

[quote="jiro"]1. calm down, learn some manners: you're "really angy with Kanotix"??? exactly how much money did you pay for this supposedly defective OS??? or does someone owe you something??? maybe you're frustrated b/c you're having trouble despite your background, but put a sock in it. you're more likely to get someone to freely give of their time and expertise if you don't start off with an attitude

No comment.

2. let's start with the basics: did the LiveCD boot up correctly?
yes
did the original install complete successfully?
yes
since you seem to identify a dist-upgrade as the source of your problem, it seems likely that your original install went well.
yes
if so, use it - dist-upgrading is not necessary to productively use kanotix. that is for those who want to have "cutting edge" software and don't mind occasionally breaking their system. if you need to do productive work - "research" - then don't dist-upgrade
I want dist-upgrade. That's one reason for turning to Kanotix.

3. if you insist on dist-upgrading (many do) then know that sometimes your system will break and you will need to figure out a fix - hopefully by finding it posted on this forum. but no one on this forum is going to give you anything equivalent to paid 24/7 support - if you want/need that level of support, you're better off buying a commercial linux distro like SUSE or Red Hat[
There's something wrong with this argument. I want to use Kanotix, and I want it to work.

/quote]

rossi - 14.06.2006, 14:28 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Really Angry with Kanotix

> did your a-g d-u finish _WITHOUT_ any error message?

No. there were two errors associated with vim

>It's important that you fix any errors _before_ doing a reboot, because your system may be in >an inconsistant state. I ran into this problem _once_ in my life and had to use the live-cd to >fix it.
>Boot live-cd
>get your network running
>mount your / partition (e.g. mount /dev/hda1 /mnt)
>chroot /mnt
>apt-get -f install
> maybe you have to do some fixes (multicd???) - ask here or at irc (#kanotix) - fix them
>errors about /dev/null aren't fatal - ignore them
^D
>umount /mnt
>cross your fingers - reboot (from hd)
>from console _WITHOUT_ running X (init 2) do a-g u and a-g d-u

>HTH

>Ciao Martin
I will try this.

kb0hae - 14.06.2006, 14:48 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Really Angry with Kanotix

Hi Rossi. You seem to be missing a point here. If you dist upgrade, sometimes you will have problems. Some of these problems will not be easy to fix. Sometimes the only fix is to wait until the problem package is fixed. I have been using Kanotix for about 9 months now, and reading the forums for that long. The folks who have answered your post know what they are talking about! If you just want Kanotix to work without problems, don't dist-upgrade.

Why do you want dist upgrade so badly when you know it can cause problems? Being on the "bleeding edge" means that you have problems ocassionally. You really can't have it both ways. Sorry, but thats reality.

We all get frustrated with some aspect of computers and operating systems from time to time. When I get frustrated, I have learned to step back from the problem. I watch a movie, or listen to some music for a while. Then I try to find the answer to the problem myself before posting here. Maybe you have tried all these things, to no avail. Getting angry does not help. I have learned that it is best to calm down and think before sending an email or posting to a forum.

Just my $.02 Sehr glücklich

rossi - 14.06.2006, 14:49 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Really Angry with Kanotix

>i told you last night how to get the keys easily: again:
>apt-get install kanotix-keyrings
>nothing to be angry about, just for yer security.
>so please come down.
i>told you about the xorg transition as well, and what to do about it.
>so why not use these solutions instead of bitching about?

I am not sure I understand.

After reading your previous note as well as another response, I decided to use the May 11, 2006 release of Kanotix and avoided the xorg upgrade and the need for keys. In my previous attempt, I used the older release of Kanotix. That's when the key problem arose.

In any case, both installs failed. What am I missing here? Angelo

greetz
devil

drb - 14.06.2006, 16:08 Uhr
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Rossi,

Can you explain what 'both installs failed' means? Is everything working in LiveCD mode before you install? What partitions and in what formats have you set up your HD prior to install? Have you tested the Cds in LiveCD mode - testcd boot parameter is one way of self-testing the CDs.

I'm no expert, but have installed both versions successfully on a number of computers. The only 'failure' I've had was when I set a 7MB partion for installation instead of 7GB! Verlegen

The installation took about 5 seconds . . . but didn't work!

drb

ice - 14.06.2006, 23:16 Uhr
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rossi hat folgendes geschrieben::

Here's my advice to you, kind sir:

Down at the bottom to the right there is an icon marked 'Delete this post'. You would do well to use it. If the CUNY hiring committee gets hold of your intemperate articulations (not to mention your display of technical savviness), your career as a professor is finished before it even started.

rossi - 15.06.2006, 01:52 Uhr
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Dear drb:

>Can you explain what 'both installs failed' means?
Both installs using the older and newer Easter releasesworked perfectly. What I meant to say is that both apt-get update-all trials really did clobber the system. It wouldn't boot afterward.

>Is everything working in LiveCD >mode before you install?
Yes.

>What partitions and in what formats have you set up your >HD prior to install?
/dev/hda1 - primary partition 91.36GB
/dev/hda5 - logical partion - linux swap - 1.80 GB

Have you tested the Cds in LiveCD mode - testcd boot parameter is one way of self-testing the CDs.
Yes. They work fine.

>I'm no expert, but have installed both versions successfully on a number of >computers. The only 'failure' I've had was when I set a 7MB partion for installation >instead of 7GB! Verlegen The installation took about 5 seconds . . . but didn't work!
Both installations DID work. I should have said the updates didn't.

Thank you.

Regards,

Angelo

rossi - 15.06.2006, 02:01 Uhr
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Dear Bluewater:

>One thing to be very carfuk of is how you burn the Kanotix ISO, as an incoreect >method often is the case of most initial install problems.

>You need to burn the ISO an an image,, not data this method is called DAO

>DAO stands for Disc At Once.The recorder burns the entire disc in one >session.Kanotix uses high compression technology (not the same Knoppix >does);special care is needed when burning the CD;use high quality CD-media [or >DVD+RW] and burn in DAO-mode not faster than 8x.
Thank you for this excellent advice. I reburned the CD according to your instructions and did it vey carefully.

>If you ae using a MS operating system make it easy and go to >http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/utilities.html and download a very small app called >Burn CDCC , it can only burn in an ISO format..

>If you using Nero, ensure the the the burn is marked as DAO, the button to choose >the method to burn is not the easiest to find if you are rushing.
I used k3b on a knoppix machine I have.

>PS Dont rush to do a d-u.. just do an apt-get update and DL any extra apps you >want to use. and wait for the final to come out, it may save you breaking the install
I really did think this would be easy since Kanotix is based on Debian unstable to begin with. I thought that the skew between the installed distribution and the packages in the database wouldn't be that great.

Regards,

Angelo

rossi - 15.06.2006, 02:12 Uhr
Titel:

Dear Chris:

>IBM T23 is fully supported - I have installed Kanotix on a bunch of these machines for >a client without any problems.
Kanotix installed perfectly for me. When I performed dist-upgrade I got into problems.

>So, for these (obscure) problems there are just a few possible reasons:
>a) Bad Burn
>As said above, burn on good quality CD-R in DAO mode not faster than 8x, and >check the md5sum afterwards (do it, really!)
I can't be sure that my original CD was the problem. But I burned another according to the above directions.

>b) Hardware Defect
>Always possible, notebook hard drives don't live forever - check it with a low level >tool from the manufacturer (or use the free SeaTools, which handles most hdd quite >well)
This is interesting that you brought this up. I bought a used T23 before I left IBM and Red Hat 9 was installed. The hard drive failed recently, and I bought a new 100 GB hard drive and decided to move to Knoppix. Someone alerted me to Kanotix, and I jumped at it.

>c) Bios Bug
>Yes, notebook bios is often buggy. You might not recognizing it while using Win, but >Linux and newer kernels are very strict about correct bios. Get the latest update for >your bios from IBM, apply default settings, and try again. If you still have problems, >try one of the various cheat codes at boot time (irqpoll in your case, most likely).
Yeah. You are correct on this one. My BIOS is older than what is available, i.e
2004/08/06. I have an earlier BIOS.

>d) Dist-Upgrade
>As mentioned already above - there is no reason at all to dist-upgrade the Easter >edition by now, if you don't want to experiment.
I guess you are right on this.

>e) Community Style
>We are a community of volunteers - everybody here is striving hard to deliver a fine >free open source operating system, together with great free support. So, keep that >in mind before you write.
I understand this. I am willing to contribute. For example, the Kanotix manual could use some editing. I could do that. In addition, I have a small grant which is attached to a Visa card. I am willing to donate $250 using the card but need an invoice or receipt so that I can submit it for reconciliation.

>Well, be assured that most people here ar no idiots, either. Winken
I know this. I have been around long enough to recognize quality.

Kind regards,

Angelo

rossi - 15.06.2006, 02:25 Uhr
Titel:

Dear Zode:

>I have been running Kanotix for about a year on an IBM Thinkpad A31, 1.8 GHz P4 >with 1GB RAM. This is not too dissimilar from your T23. I first ran the 2005-03 >release, then I installed the 2005-04 release. I only ran the released version, and I >never attempted an apt-get dist upgrade, because I knew that this would be risky >and unnecessary.
Both of my installations went perfectly. When I tried the dist-upgrade, it didn't work the way I thought it would.

>From your other posts, you have installed Kanotix on a Thinkpad T41, a Thinkpad >T23, and some dual-core Intel machine. After they were installed, you messed with >them to try to put the latest unstable code on them.
I tried installing/updating the T23. I just used the Kanotix live CD on the T41. The new dual-core machines are giving me a problem with Kanotix. I need to see if the BIOS should be upgraded first on these (there are three of them).

>Please note the section entitled "Stable Releases" on the Kanotix home page, and try >one of those, and once it is installed, don't mess with it unnecessarily.
Kanotix installed perfectly. The dist-upgrade didn't work.

>Let's assume I am not an idiot...I was with IBM for 21 years before delving into the >world of Linux, and I've seen numerous examples of the "if it ain't broke..." rule in >action.
OK. But see last response.

>Try installing 2005-04 on your T23 and then use it...without messing with a dist >upgrade. Then, wait for Kano to release 2006-01 or whatever it will be called, and >upgrade or reinstall at that time.
Please see last response.

>If you're going to do research, you probably need a system based on the most stable >platform, not bleeding-edge Debian Unstable via a dist-upgrade.
I feel this comment is really counterintuitive to the spirit of using Kanotix. As a former IBMer, I am sure you heard something like who is the customer set for Kanotix? What is their goal or mission. I believe the goal or mission of Kanotix is to provide the most efficient Linux operating system based on the current available technology and resources.

I come from a High Performance Computing background where memory management, efficient cache handling, compiler efficiency are of paramount importance. That isn't available in Debian stable. NUMA isn't available in Debian stable. That's why Kanotix is so important. It fills a niche that other Linux systems don't (well SuSe and Red Hat enterprise do). But I think Kanotix has greater potential for this.

Regards,

Angelo

Best Regards.

ironwalker - 15.06.2006, 03:21 Uhr
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Rossi,
Please list the steps,in detail of what you are doing from booting the live-cd to installing.

This should help us better understanding where you are messing up.

Kudos to all the help this community has given in regards to this topic so far!

stryder - 15.06.2006, 05:09 Uhr
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Seems to me that his installation works so there is no need to go back to those steps. The problem is with dist-upgrading.

May I suggest that you stick to the Easter Preview since it is only about 1 month old and use that if it gives you NUMA already - whatever that is. That's the simplest.

If you insist on dist-upgrading, then please follow the recommended steps:

ctrl-alt-F1 (to get to text mode)
(log in as root)
init 3 (to kill X)
apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade

You will probably get problems with X. Just tell us the error messages and we can point you to the workarounds. Or look in General Support and find out yourself. Most problems (and solutions) with dist-upgrading are reported there.

Of course if you have done all the above and your problem is that the computer won't boot at all (what you said above to drb) rather than X won't start, then please ignore this reply... Smilie

devil - 15.06.2006, 05:43 Uhr
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rossi,
let me get something straight here.
you mentioned above, that you didnt think, the gap between kanotix and sid was so big. it isnt at all.
kanotix is pure sid as it comes, upgradable every day with newest packages. additionaly there is a kanotix repo with some stuff that makes life easier (installer, kanotix-kernelhacking etc) plus a handfull (or two) of usefull scripts (like the ones to install ATI or Nvidia drivers etc)
dist-upgrade in SID can always brake things, not only in kanotix. as soon as i know of a problem in dist-upgrade, i will put it as a warning in the news, and a few later there will be a workaround or a solution to this. not too long ago i.e we went through a heavy transition with xorg moving from xorg 6.9 (monolithic) to xorg 7 (modular). that gave us a hard time for weeks (as you can still see in the news) getting people back into x after dist-upgrade. there was a few fixes needed to solves these glitches. lots of paths had to be adjusted and so on. some of these errors may still occure with easter-preview when dist-upgrading. so, if you can give us errors from /var/log/Xorg 0.log, we can name the needed fix easily.
a good way to get these things solved, is, to come to #kanotix. at most times you will find competent and helpfull people there that fix things in no time.
so, to conclude all this, for what you need, easter-preview should be current enough and no need to dist-upgrade.
of course you are always welcome to contribute with what you can. i will get you informed on a receit for a possible donation as well.

greetz
devil

horo - 15.06.2006, 10:58 Uhr
Titel: WATCH YOUR STEP!

rossi hat folgendes geschrieben::

> did your a-g d-u finish _WITHOUT_ any error message?

No. there were two errors associated with vim

That was your problem!
a-g d-u isn't evil but you have to do it with care.
It's always A_BAD_THING (tm) if a-g d-u stops with an error. Some debs are replaced but not configured correctly and you end up with a non working system - even if the errror mentions only a not so important package like vim. a-g d-u stops totally if it encounters an error - it doesn't skip over to the next packages. So you get many unconfigured packages - some of them will stop your system from booting correctly.

DON'T REBOOT IF a-g d-u STOPS WITH ERROR(S) - ALWAYS FIX THEM!

Ciao Martin

ironwalker - 15.06.2006, 23:04 Uhr
Titel: RE: WATCH YOUR STEP!

I guess the exact error messages or any stop messages from dist-upgrade would be a place to start.Post them here so we can help.

mcrofutt - 16.06.2006, 01:18 Uhr
Titel:

[quote="ice"][quote="rossi"]
LetI just am surprised that ANYONE so "educated" would post something with all the BAD SPELLING that this post has in it! Now I'm not college educated at all, but I "lernt" how to spell in grade school! If you're "gonna" have an attitude, AT LEAST spell it right!..

kelmo - 16.06.2006, 16:34 Uhr
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Crap talk like that makes me less keen to work on Kanotix related stuff.

Didn't your mother teach you at a young age:

Zitat:

If you don't have anything good to say, don't say it at all.

ice - 16.06.2006, 18:57 Uhr
Titel:

mcrofutt hat folgendes geschrieben::

If you're "gonna" have an attitude, AT LEAST spell it right!..

Aptitude rules. Much faster than Synaptic.

markb - 17.06.2006, 06:06 Uhr
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ice hat folgendes geschrieben::

Aptitude rules. Much faster than Synaptic.

Aptitude mainly rules due to its automatic dependency tracking and removal.

DeepDayze - 17.06.2006, 13:16 Uhr
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Come on people...lets have cool heads here. I don't blame Rossi and I been down this road before when I was new to Linux myself (I been using Linux for 11 years now). He may be angry, but lets all get him to calm down and then help him out.

Sorry for sounding trollish, but we should just be calm...and calm down the person who's angry.

h2 - 22.06.2006, 20:23 Uhr
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rossi, time to slow down. Forget your level of expertise, it is not helping you here, in fact my guess is is that it may be the indirect cause of your problems.

Approach this issue as a newbie, not as someone with a lot of background.

As a newbie, you want to dist-upgrade.

Let's also assume that you have burned the cdrom correctly.

Burning it correctly means that you have done the following:

1. used good quality cdrom blanks, not generic garbage, not computer super store branded stuff. Name brand, taiyo yuden, good tdk, that kind of quality. Kanotix uses a very high compression on its isos, and the errors you get on install can be EXTREMELY subtle. I for example couldn't get reboot to work, but correct reburn fixed all issues. The issues are random, and cannot be predicted.

2. You really did burn the cdroms with Disk At Once. This is newbie mistake number one. Disk at once is not the default setting for nero or for k3b, so you have to manually set that before burning.

3. To be on safe side, burn at 8x

Once this is for certain done, proceed to dist-upgrade matters. If any of these steps was not done, reformat the partition, do the above corectly, then reinstall. Otherwise you're wasting your efforts. Just because it appeared to install correctly doesn't mean it did.

Check forum for safety of dist-upgrade. It is safe today.

Forget trying to catch up to all this stuff, use my dist-ugprade script: http://techpatterns.com/forums/about736.html

It runs best from /usr/local/bin currently.

If you use easter rc 4 or whatever latest is, and if there are no new distupgrade issues, I don't know why you'd have an issue.

When running dist-upgrade, do the following to make absolutely sure you are in the correct space:

1. On boot, as soon as you see grub, type in the number 3
2. hit enter
3. login as root. You are now in runlevel 3

run my script, it will update the kanotix keyrings and all that stuff for you.

Run the dist-upgrade option as many times as is required until it has all packages installed, except for the ones held back, currently I think 1.

continue. Run the xorg fix and font fix just to be on the safe side if you want, xorg shouldn't be necessary in easter rc4 though, since it's already fixed.

multicd fix is required unless that's fixed in sid. Running it however will not harm anything. None of the fixes will harm anything as far as I know.

I run kanotix on every box I can get my hands on and they are all fully dist-upgraded, kernels reasonably upto date. I also do multiple test installs, which are also fully upgraded.

That's why I use the script, it makes it so I don't have to remember all this stuff. The script also automatically updates itself when a new version is available with updated fixes etc.

Try it again. Remember, while you may be an expert in your background, you are not an expert in this one.

Personally I'm not a fan of the reinstall to latest stable version 1 time a year philosophy at all, it's fine for people who don't heavily tweak their installs, but it's not fine for those who do. And sid can handle it, if you approach it with care. Sid is not easy to work with, don't assume it is. For me it would be impossible were it not for the great work of the kanotix team, who generally have du fixes out within 24 hours of the first alert.

But some things will always give problems, wireless networking, printing, that kind of thing. Which is why I dont' use any of them, and I have no issues with the stuff at all. I use a T41 by the way, a great machine.

To anyone criticizing rossi for getting annoyed, don't, it's part of the learning curve, I've gotten really annoyed at this stuff too, but it motivated me to find solutions and learn how to not have issues. Getting annoyed just means you care, as long as it motivates you to move in a constructive direction after the annoyance, that means finding solutions no matter how hard it is to do that.

By the way, your way of quoting is very hard to read, try this:

<<<< stuff you want to quote >>>>

or this, use bbcode, I leave a space between [ and first letter so it doesn't execute

[ quote]stuff you want to quote[ /quote]

Zitat:

like this, stuff you want to quote, always easiest for other posters to read

That's much easier to follow, either way works fine, but leave a space between the quoted stuff and your comments otherwise it's too hard to see what you are saying versus what is being quoted.

But not matter what, you are using debian unstable, and it's not stable. Things change kernel to kernel, upgrade to upgrade, something on my laptop wasn't working, then it starts working, it's interesting. Usually the changes are positive as long as you avoid the more geeky and more poorly supported specialized stuff, toys of various sorts. The simpler you keep it, the more likely you won't have problems. Use nvidia, fewer problems too, or older ati that doesn't require the radeon/glrx drivers.

slh - 22.06.2006, 21:39 Uhr
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Additionally it's always good to use the "testcd" cheatcode before installing (on the drive that will be used for installing!), as this will detect bad burns reliably. There are considerations to make that check mandatory for the installer, but it'll add ~5-10 min. on fast systems and half of an eternity on slow ones.

Crust - 22.06.2006, 21:45 Uhr
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By the way, what happens when you use the "testcd" cheatcode and it fails?
Does it stop everything and give you an error?
I add the testcd cheatcode after the kernel cheatcodes, right?
I guess I've never had a failed burn or I'm using the cheatcode improperly.

-Crust

ceti - 24.06.2006, 01:25 Uhr
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h2 hat folgendes geschrieben::

Forget trying to catch up to all this stuff, use my dist-ugprade script: http://techpatterns.com/forums/about736.html

It runs best from /usr/local/bin currently.

Thank you.
This script saved my day. Great, great... Lachen

bobdawn - 06.08.2006, 12:44 Uhr
Titel: Dist upgrade thanks.

I love that d-u script. Did my desktop a few days ago and my laptop this afternoon. It worked flawlessly both times, including a new kernel on both and the nVidia driver on my desktop. I did the fonts trick on both machines, too.

It's right up there with the Kanotix/Knoppix installation script and I'm eternally grateful to all concerned.

Thanks to all from Bob (bobdawn) on the Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia.