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Titel: oh no-not again
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I installed escputil, a printer utility & it upgraded libgutenprint2 as well. I couldn't print as a result. I removed & purged escputil, but it didn't remove libgutenprint2. localhost:631 says:
"Gutenprint: The version of Gutenprint software installed (5.0.0-rc3) does not match the PPD file (5.0.0-rc2)."
How do I fix this? How do I get it back? Can I use the Kanotix install disc to overwrite directories? Should I remove & reinstall my printer?
Everything was working fine until I did this. I haven't DU'd or anything & is a fresh install. |
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Verfasst am: 08.07.2006, 07:27 Uhr
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if you use the Live CD it overwrite in total, you will reset your HD back to the Live CD undoing ALL you have installed..
Try uninstalling the printer , and reinstall it . If not uninstall the printer then see if Gutenprint can be uninstalled,
If ithat does not work and it is a fresh install, well use the live CD to get back to base and start again.. if you really have too (i know sometimes its more expediant and a lot less hair pulling,, thank god i dontdo that anymore.. once its set up. i dont try and fix it ,, grin) |
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Verfasst am: 08.07.2006, 08:18 Uhr
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can I use the cd to just replace libgutenprint2 with the one on the cd? If I try to reinstall the printer, the upgraded libgutenprint2 will still be there when the install process searches the HD for a driver database & will use it won't it?
Would using apt to install the testing version work? Does localhost:631 install differently than Control Center? I used Control Center to install my printer the first time.
joyboy@WorldsEnd:~$ apt-cache policy libgutenprint2
libgutenprint2:
Installed: 4.3.99+cvs20060521-4
Candidate: 4.3.99+cvs20060521-4
Version table:
*** 4.3.99+cvs20060521-4 0
500 http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable/main Packages
200 http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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Verfasst am: 08.07.2006, 08:45 Uhr
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Just checked this box, it has been d-u
libgutenprint2:
Installed: 4.3.99+cvs20060521-4
Candidate: 4.3.99+cvs20060521-4
My P4 which has nver been d-u and running RC4
Installed 4.3.99+cvs20060121.dfsg.1-1
Neither boxes have esputils
So i would say just unistall the printer , and then install it again,, i had to do that to this box in the early stages of this round kde v cups wars |
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Verfasst am: 08.07.2006, 18:39 Uhr
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Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I've now got the upgraded version of libgutenprint2, so if I reinstall, it won't get replaced with the version on the cd because that's not where the installer looks. Neither of your boxes would have escputil unless you installed it. It is a utility to clean the print heads for Epson. When I installed it libgutenprint2 was upgraded as part of the process. I checked it out before installing escputil & didn't think it was connected to the cupsys problems everybody has had, so I went ahead with the escputil install.
I will try reinstalling with the web interface localhost:631 & keep my fingers crossed. |
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Verfasst am: 08.07.2006, 19:09 Uhr
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There are deb-archives. Perhaps you look at http://kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t ... upsys.html
bluelupo is showing an example (for cups).
Good luck. |
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Verfasst am: 08.07.2006, 20:08 Uhr
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Well I can't read german, but I understand that if re-installing my printer doesn't work, perhaps to add
deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool libgutenprint2
deb-src http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool libgutenprint2
to /etc/sources.list Then update & --purge libgutenprint2 then
apt-get install libgutenprint2=(whateverversion) ??
Then again maybe a Easter reinstall would be better I don't know at this point |
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Verfasst am: 08.07.2006, 20:33 Uhr
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| That's outside my level of expertise--looks like I have to reinstall. |
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Verfasst am: 08.07.2006, 20:43 Uhr
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Radical, if you reinstall, consider just stopping this time. Once you get it working, don't add things to anything print related at all.
If you do add things, do this:
create a backup partition. Use, from the livecd: cp -a /media/hda1 <your root partition> /media/hda3 <your backup partition>
In other words, reinstall. Test everything. Once it's working, stop. Check printers, all that. Once you're feeling good about your system, turn it off. Reboot into livecd. Run the backup of your root partition. Keep your /home on another partition ideally.
Restart, install the component you want to test.
While this will take you longer on the front side, on the backside, the failed system/reinstall, you'll save I think many tens of hours judging by your current run of bad luck.
I did this for a while when I was having issues with certain thing too, it saved me one time completely, I just reformatted the / partition, restored my backup, and it was all good to go, took me about 30 minutes total, for backup and restore. Compared to 10-80 hours for debugging, that's a very pleasant way to spend 1/2 an hour.
even better, create a separate test partition, and install kanotix on that. I did that too when I was having problems with some stuff. Then do all your tests on that. Copy that one instead, you can copy it from your main install.
Every time it fails, just wipe it, format the partition, and cp the stuff back to where it was before it failed. Only once you are absolutey certain that something won't break your main install do you install that component. Once something is stable on the test install, recopy that to your backup partition, so you can return to that point.
This might seem a pain, but compared to what you've been experiencing, I think you'll find this is a radically more relaxing way to proceed. |
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Verfasst am: 08.07.2006, 22:06 Uhr
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If you don't already, having /home on a separate partition is a huge time-saver in the long run. You don't have to go redo all your prefs each time you reinstall.
There's a good online article about backing up using tar and rsync here (so that your /home partition backup doesn't take up as much space as it would if you used "cp"). |
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Verfasst am: 08.07.2006, 23:01 Uhr
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Zitat:
Radical, if you reinstall, consider just stopping this time. Once you get it working, don't add things to anything print related at all.
Believe me--I WON'T--
h2: I really appreciate your reply. I re-installed & got my printing back. There's nothing I would like better than to have a reliable backup of / & /home, but I've been having trouble doing that. I would love to do incremental backups on a regular basis. It's a matter of getting the paths correct in the cp command(s) to get the data there & to restore it. df shows I have enough space in hda5, so I already have a backup partition.
# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
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# <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs devmode=0666 0 0
/dev/hda1 / reiserfs defaults 0 1
/dev/hda2 /home reiserfs defaults 0 2
/dev/hda3 none swap sw 0 0
/dev/hda5 /media/hda5 reiserfs defaults 0 0
/dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
/dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
root@WorldsEnd:/home/joyboy# df
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda1 9767184 1839260 7927924 19% /
tmpfs 241044 0 241044 0% /dev/shm
/dev/hda2 19534436 82720 19451716 1% /home
/dev/hda5 4883556 32840 4850716 1% /media/hda5
tmpfs 10240 120 10120 2% /dev
I would prefer to backup to a 4.7GB dvd/rw disc, but I don't think there's enough room on one. I can't figure out the proper commands to use from a live-cd. Would it be
cp -a /dev/hda1 /media/hda5 given my system info? |
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Verfasst am: 08.07.2006, 23:26 Uhr
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eco2geek: Would these be the proper commands?
rsync -av /home/joyboy /hda5
and to restore:
rsync -av /hda5 /home/joyboy |
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Verfasst am: 09.07.2006, 00:41 Uhr
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2radical, I would look for the fastest, easiest solution you can find so it actually is something you would do.
The easiest is copying one partition to another, with cp -a /media/hda1 /media/hda5 for example
From livecd just mount both, /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 and /dev/hda5 /media/hda5 then do the cp -a
To get an incremental like backup with cp [from man cp]:
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-u, --update copy only when the SOURCE file is newer than the destination file or when the destination file is missing
so theoretically cp -au /media/hda1 /media/hda5
should do the trick for you to get very fast incremental like backups.
This is easy and basically really can't fail.
rdiff-backup is not as easy, and has some bugs and other oddities, so given your experiences so far, I'd avoid that for the time being. Maybe once things stabilize go to rdiff-backup, since the developers may also have stabilized the glitches out of it by then.
I use rdiff-backup but it's not as consistent as I'd like it to be. It is a very nifty backup method, but it will require some more development to get the little rough edges out I think.
cp -a will not take that long, maybe 20-30 mihutes, depends on your system speed and how much data you have in /. Getting /home out of the / directory will make the backups much faster of course.
I am not a fan at all of using optical media for backups, it's a pain, it's slow, and the media is very unstable and susceptable to burn errors.
PS: your patience, by the way, is remarkable, if there were a hall of fame for patience in dealing with bug after bug and issue after issue you surely deserve a nomination. |
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Verfasst am: 09.07.2006, 04:45 Uhr
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apt-get install hplip (maybe you already have it, apt-cache policy hplip)
There are quite a few threads on CUPS related issues |
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Verfasst am: 09.07.2006, 07:34 Uhr
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h2 is more knowledgeable than me, so I defer to him. I wouldn't try backing up straight to optical media, though. IMO, best case scenario would be to have a hard disk (or a paritition on a separate hard disk) that was used for nothing other than backups.
To answer your question: The commands should probably be "rsync -av /home/joyboy /media/hda5" to back up, and "rsync -av /media/hda5/joyboy/ /home" to restore (assuming everything's set up the same way both times).
(Just made a tar.bz2 archive of my /home/$USER directory, and it compressed 4 GB down to a 3.4 GB archive, which I'll burn to a DVD along with archives of /root and /etc. I need to do this more often. Thank you for providing the motivation.) |
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Verfasst am: 09.07.2006, 08:44 Uhr
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it's better to use cp -ax, using -x cp will only copy / and not other mounted filesystems. see man cp  |
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Verfasst am: 09.07.2006, 10:15 Uhr
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h2 hat folgendes geschrieben::
The easiest is copying one partition to another, with cp -a /media/hda1 /media/hda5 for example
You should add a "-x" on the cp, i.e. cp -ax .... as you don't want to copy /proc, /sys, /dev, /mnt/* etc. The -x will skip all these other file systems. They will get created automatically when you eventually boot from your backup copy.
PS Edit: Oops, John got in early on the second page before me. |
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Verfasst am: 09.07.2006, 16:48 Uhr
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OK!!  Thank you very very much for your help!
BTW, I'm not really that patient, slow-witted is more like it  |
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Verfasst am: 09.07.2006, 18:14 Uhr
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Verfasst am: 09.07.2006, 23:54 Uhr
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I successfully backed up using the 2005-04 live-cd, as the Easter kept stalling for some reason.
cp -av /media/hda1 /media/hda5 (root)
cp -av /media/hda2 /media/hda5 (home)
To restore I assume all I need to do is reverse things e.g. cp -av /media/hda5 /media/hda1
Is it necessary to reformat before restoring a partition? |
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| you can make rm -rf /todelete or just reformat. i think reformat is faster. but keep in mind to format with the same filesystems or to edit your /etc/fstab. and if you copy your system back, but not to the original partition (e.g. to hda2 and not to hda1) then you got to outcomment the initrd in your /boot/menu.lst, otherwise the kernel thinks its on the old partition |
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Verfasst am: 10.07.2006, 08:19 Uhr
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OK thanks for all your help
I think I've got it now... |
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