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Wohnort: Melbourne, Australia
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| Bloody hell this box and 2 others i have here are desktops.. this blathering about "Is linux ready for Desktop" has got me floored.. i cannot figure what some people are on,, (and what ever they are on, it has to be a criminal offence, and i dont want it,, if thats what its does) .. i run 3 production boxes with Kanotix ,, and people ask is it desktop ready,, (shakes head,, and says, collect your Iscariot 30 shekals, from you fav bank) |
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Verfasst am: 12.07.2006, 22:27 Uhr
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Thanks for clearing some stuff up guys. About the windows admin thing, at least when I used windows, not even the administrator could see other administrator accounts which, as you guys said, is stupid to have admin as default, which is why I prefer the Linux way where you are a limited user and only become "admin" when needed. I know you guys mentioned that people have to trust the admin on a windows box, but if everybody is an admin, then, at least in my experience, they can't mess around with each other's accounts. But then again, an admin can perfectly well change the password of another admin and log in to his account, so I guess it's the same thing. Also, I know that whatever OS you're using is not secure with a livecd. What I meant to say is that if linux becomes more mainstream, people will learn that you can actually do that, whereas before they were oblivious to the fact.
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Verfasst am: 12.07.2006, 23:26 Uhr
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Well, I play 'devil's advocate" a lot when it comes to Linux, and from my perspective, a lot of improvement is needed before many mainstream Windows users will embrace it.
But, security is not one of the things I'd gripe about. lol
I've lost count of the hours I've spent removing spyware and viruses on my PC, as well friend's and relative's PCs running Windows.
A lot of it came from kids installing stuff that had no business installing, or from visiting web sites wtih "click here" to get the new toolbars, etc.
From my perspective, even if you left a PC running Linux logged in as root, it would still be more secure than Windows (and most Windows users are logged in with full access to everything anyway). So, to setup a user and only use the root password when you need to change the basic configuration or load new software would be a huge improvement over Windows from my perspective.
I switched my wife to Linux quite a while back (she's running SimplyMEPIS), and she still doesn't know the root password (and hasn't needed to ask me for it). lol |
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Verfasst am: 13.07.2006, 04:28 Uhr
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Wohnort: Auckland, New Zealand
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I find some converstations I've seen with people new to linux very amusing ... eg:
Newbie: hi
Linux guru: welcome to linux
Newbie: my sound isn't working
Linux guru: oh, what sound card have you got?
Newbie: my sound card? ... what's that got to do with it?
Linux guru: are you serious?
Newbie: my sound isn't working, and it should just work. Linux sux. I want an OS, where I can demand to get it fixed if something doesn't work . And I want it to run photoshop and front page.
Linux guru: maybe windows is what you want.
Newbie: are you serious? I thought you would want everyone to use linux?
Linux guru: and why would I want that?
Newbie: but aren't you worried that I'll go to the competition?
Linux guru: competition? I'm not trying to sell you linux.
Newbie: linux sux and you're all communists.
... okay I've exaggerated slightly, but it's a learning curve that all ex-windows uses have to face, and I was exactly the same, that linux (expecially debian) isn't a company, and that I can't expect to be treated like a customer. Rather linux is a community.
I pretty sure Kano doesn't lie awake at night thinking "if only I could convince those windows users to use kanotix, then I'd be happy".
From what I've seen, I don't think kanotix has as one of it's aims to be the biggest distro either. I once asked the developers why they made kanotix ... they said because we can. It seems to me that they want to do a nice job, to produce something fast, powerful, cutting edge, stable, secure because it'd be fun to do. (Please correct me if I'm wrong developers!) |
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Verfasst am: 13.07.2006, 10:24 Uhr
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Wohnort: Schleswig-Holstein
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JimC hat folgendes geschrieben::
(and most Windows users are logged in with full access to everything anyway)l
Well, I'm a linux user for years now and because I am used to it of course I made a user account in windows (my notebook came with windows preinstalled) and tried to use it. And I deleted it after a while and now am using an administrator account again because most of the programs I use in windows don't run as a simple user and it is awkward to install new programs if you are forced to log in as administrator first (the runas command IMHO is too long-winded to use too, in linux the temporary root access is so much easier to handle)... Though that simple user has access to the system directories and can write there. The "root"/user thing under windows is nothing more than a (though dangerous) joke... |
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Titel: Not Corporate...Not Largest Distro
Verfasst am: 13.07.2006, 13:03 Uhr
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Swynndla, you have a great point, but something must be added. If you check the forums of most, not all, distros you will find many that have quite a few posts that never get answered, or it takes days/weeks/etc. to get an answer. As a newbie, the Ubuntu forums must be nightmare. Newbies need answers quickly and kindly. In many forums, the snotty attitude you mention is the rule not the exception. This is one of the main reasons that I have stuck with Kanotix. No matter how experienced the responder is the response is still kind and understanding. I do understand how frustrating it is to explain the same thing over and over again, I am a science teacher afterall.
The idea that software can be created, supported, and distributed via community efforts is quite foreign to most people. Most people do not want to be responsible for their own system. I am a bit of hacker/tweaker and enjoy the challenge. It is our responsiblity to assist those who know less, but there are few who know less than me. I have learned to give back, especially here on the Kanotix forums.
It is comforting/intimidating to know that the spread of Kanotix/Linux rests on the shaky efforts of people like us  !!! |
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Titel: RE: Not Corporate...Not Largest Distro
Verfasst am: 13.07.2006, 16:49 Uhr
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Wohnort: out there somewhere
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Swynndla hat folgendes geschrieben::
I find some converstations I've seen with people new to linux very amusing ... eg:
Newbie: hi
Linux guru: welcome to linux
Newbie: my sound isn't working
Linux guru: oh, what sound card have you got?
Newbie: my sound card? ... what's that got to do with it?
Linux guru: are you serious?
Newbie: my sound isn't working, and it should just work. Linux sux. I want an OS, where I can demand to get it fixed if something doesn't work . And I want it to run photoshop and front page.
Linux guru: maybe windows is what you want.
Newbie: are you serious? I thought you would want everyone to use linux?
Linux guru: and why would I want that?
Newbie: but aren't you worried that I'll go to the competition?
Linux guru: competition? I'm not trying to sell you linux.
Newbie: linux sux and you're all communists.
... okay I've exaggerated slightly, but it's a learning curve that all ex-windows uses have to face, and I was exactly the same, that linux (expecially debian) isn't a company, and that I can't expect to be treated like a customer. Rather linux is a community.
Actually Swynndla, that is not much of an exaggerated post  Almost right on  Yes their is a learning curve, but in the end it is very rewarding. |
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Titel: Linux Desktop--I must be crazy
Verfasst am: 16.07.2006, 11:29 Uhr
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Wohnort: UK
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May I broaden the topic a little bit?
Good discussion but nobody has pointed out that as of 11/7/06 Microsoft halted support for Windows 98. A lot of people (said to be 75 million world-wide) now have to take the decision to just keep running with 98 and watch it slowly rot, or upgrade to XP, which itself is threatened by the development of Vista. There's a good article here on this topic
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1989284,00.asp
Of course, the hardware requirements for XP and Vista may be beyond the capacity of a lot of machines currently running 98 - so in theory this would be a big opportunity for Linux to increase market penetration. Kanotix, for a lot of these refugees from 98, would be a great solution because of its excellent hardware detection and easy install method - but of course, a public awareness, or public advocacy campaign would be needed (like Firefox).
Finally, of course, there are a lot of vested interests in keeping the bandwagon of planned obsolescence rolling - the Wintel alliance for one plus all their friends in the hardware industry. How much extra memory/graphics/hard drive resource will be needed for Vista and son-of-Vista (because he'll appear on the horizon in about 2010 - though he'll only probably arrive in 2015)? The dirty little secret is that with Linux you can keep "obsolete" kit ticking over for many years past its retirement date doing the mundane jobs of spreadsheets/text processing/e-mail etc. (A friend of mine has a box made from old components cannibalised and scavenged from other machines, stuck together with chewing gum and running an old version of Red Hat.) But this is not good news for the PC Industry guys.
It makes me mad. |
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Titel: Hacked PCs
Verfasst am: 16.07.2006, 12:21 Uhr
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| Scodge, wow your reply brings flashbacks. My PC, before this one, was (get ready) an emachines MB, stuffed inside a Dell case, with a hole cut for a power supply, the on/off switch dangled out the back, the hard drives were cable-tied inside, the central processor chip was a 750Mhz (stuffed in a 333Mhz slot, the system could never tell you how fast it was going, never could decide, the number would flash and flash.....yikes), I first put Linux on this box...it was crazy. But, that is one of the attractions to Linux. I do not have the money to constantly be changing hardware, nor do I have any desire to do so. I just want to be able to connect to the net, do my work, and co-exist with other systems. Apple folks have for years clung tightly to ages old computers w/o too much grief....but PCers were expected to change with the wind. I never did. Now with Linux...don't have to. |
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