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Titel: Tweaking firefox/iceweasel  BeitragVerfasst am: 16.10.2006, 01:04 Uhr



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Someone pointed me to:
http://element14.wordpress.com/2006/07/ ... mem-usage/
... hmmm it has some interesting tweaks, but it doesn't suggest to turn off "network.prefetch-next" like it says here:
http://techpatterns.com/forums/about623.html

Hmmmmm I wonder if which are the good tweaks and which wont do squat? Someone even posted:
Be careful with “network.http.pipelining.maxrequests” as some websites may block your IP if you attempt to many requests as its a huge resource drain for the server.

Does the first link suggest anything good? It sugguests lots of stuff. What do you think?

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Titel: RE: Tweaking firefox/iceweasel  BeitragVerfasst am: 16.10.2006, 01:13 Uhr



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Most firefox so called 'speed tweaks' are pretty useless.

the following are not only not useless, but pretty much essential to even run firefox:

network.prefetch-next false [default is true, this is a terrible setting, and a terrible default.]

browser.sessionhistory.max_entries 10 [or less]
browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers 1

The whiz kids over at Firefox really blew it on those settings, like a lot of other mistakes they've made in 1.5 and beyond. Maybe one day the gtk 'get rid of any setting that users might ever want' disease may get cured over at mozilla, but I'm still waiting.

the pipelining likewise is a continuing myth, and it's correct that you may either give website owners a big headache, or get banned by issueing too many requests too fast. If you do the above 3 your firefox will become more useable, although I have to admit, of all the applications I grew to love on windows from the open source world, on kde/linux, Firefox is by far and away my least favorite, it's a pain to use, setting default mimetypes takes forever, if you can even figure out how to do it, the file save dialogue is ridiculous in its default decisions, like far too much gtk stuff.

I'm looking forwards to konquerer improving a bit more here and there, then I think I'm going to dump firefox, I'm sick of its crippled gtk interface.

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Titel: RE: Tweaking firefox/iceweasel  BeitragVerfasst am: 16.10.2006, 01:17 Uhr



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Ahhh ... thanks h2.

The other site uses:
browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers 0
not:
browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers 1
... what's the difference?

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Titel: RE: Tweaking firefox/iceweasel  BeitragVerfasst am: 16.10.2006, 01:25 Uhr



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I experimented quite a bit with those because I had such major firefox issues, and there was a lot of talk on the web about this when 1.5 came out [all of which the firefox devs, by the way, chose to ignore, pretending their stupid defaults were not the cause of the problems],

browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers is how many pages firefox keeps in its cache for quick back movement. Unfortunately, unlike say opera, who actually do have quick and fairly decently functioning back, the firefox hack is just that, a nasty hack, that causes your memory useage to skyrocket, with almost no significant improvement in performance.

0 just means no pages are cached, only to be used if memory is really tight, or you are having other issues.

At least thunderbird/icedove is finally working right on linux, they got that stupid bug that kept recounting the unopened items in inbox every time client checked for emails. 1 out of 2 is I guess all we can hope for until someone at firefox who actually uses kde realizes how useless firefox is as currently configured and setup for linux.

I used to really love firebird/phoenix/firefox, but 1.5, along with the developers' refusal to admit any error, along with the crippled gtk options, are making me dislike firefox more and more.

It's still got a very good html and css engine, and its extension stuff is really nice, but the gtk crap I can live without, every time I configure konqueror, I ask myself just why mozilla thought it is a good idea to get rid of any setting I want to adjust. [hint: that's what 'advance settings' are for.]

You'll notice that not only did mozilla create a nearly lethal default group of settings with the above 3, they made it very hard on any normal user to change them, I mean? type in about:config, .... that's supposed to be 'user friendly'? Give me a break... <end antigtk rant>...

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Titel: RE: Tweaking firefox/iceweasel  BeitragVerfasst am: 16.10.2006, 01:40 Uhr



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Cheers h2 Smilie

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Titel: RE: Tweaking firefox/iceweasel  BeitragVerfasst am: 16.10.2006, 03:13 Uhr



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I agree with h2.

Firefox used to be my favorite open source project. In fact, it showed me what open source was capable of.

That was back when firefox was .6 or something. The relative fast overgrowth of firefox is only matched by the growing ego of the mozilla corp.

I love my Konqueror. The only thing I dislike about it is that I can't use it in Windows at work Lachen

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Titel: RE: Tweaking firefox/iceweasel  BeitragVerfasst am: 16.10.2006, 12:18 Uhr



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User.js - Speed - The Extensions Mirror
http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=2875

I for one love Firefox/IceWeasel. I have tried Opera quite a few times, never could get used to the way it looks or acts. So the settings in Firefox aren't right there, sure for the typcial windwos user that may pose a problem, but we run Linux config files are in text all over our system/

Firefox takes alittle tweaking to get it just the way you want it but what doesn't?

My Firefox Information
http://www.geocities.com/reverendsky/infolister.html

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Titel: RE: Tweaking firefox/iceweasel  BeitragVerfasst am: 16.10.2006, 18:44 Uhr



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there is no amount of tweaking that can fix the retarded gtk file dialogue or the non existent mimetype handlers. In fact, this very morning, I just took my first official linux/kanotix support call for a client pc. What was the call? You guessed it, the absolutely non intuitive gtk file save as dialogue box, which gave two true linux newbies exactly zero idea of what to do, where the file was saved, how to save to a different location, etc.

To be clear re mimetype handling: when you go to the download area of options, and go to the 'view and edit actions', you'll notice a massive black hole. What is missing? The option to ADD a new action. There is no way to add a damned default behavior. That's because our parents at mozilla.com have decided we don't need to do that. But the problem is, we do need to do that, because multimedia support is so erratic in desktop linux, I often have to test and experiment with different players for different codecs to find the least buggy one. This become especially problematical if you use some of the embedded multimedia type applications by the way.

Konqueror does this right, and firefox does it wrong. This is what happens when you let 20 something year olds fresh out of useability classes in university make long term useability decisions.

And heaven help me if they try to change the default mimetype handlers on their own.

If I could tweak firefox to be 'just the way I want' I would be a happy camper, but it's not technically possible to do that as long as it continues with its stupid more gtk than gtk idea of dumping all possible configurations.

Currently my firefox tweaks tend to remind me more and more of my windows xp tweaks: get rid of the worst default settings, try to make it a bit more useable.

and that's hardly surprising given firefoxes almost 100% focus on their windows users.

The pluses of firefox continue to just barely outweigh the negatives for me, but it's just a matter of time, unless they stop walking down the current path of dumbing down as much as possible, making less configurable and harder to change defaults, etc. And then saying: oh, you can just change config file x or y. As if I really feel like spending days tracking down how to tweak some config file setting just to make an application do what I want. And if these tweaks would actually do that I'd be happy, by the way, but they don't.

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Titel: RE: Tweaking firefox/iceweasel  BeitragVerfasst am: 16.10.2006, 19:03 Uhr



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The worst of all, this was fine with mozilla's own file dialogue up to firefox 1.0.x - that one definately didn't win design prices, but it actually worked...
 
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Titel: RE: Tweaking firefox/iceweasel  BeitragVerfasst am: 16.10.2006, 19:58 Uhr



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Ok, I finally found an extension that slightly overcomes the crippled default mime type handlers:

https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/446/

This gives you back some of the control that firefox removed. I've actually searched for this functionality many times, but could never find the extension, this came up in another forum re this type of question for Firefox.

This extension restores some of the settings that were removed in terms of media type handling.

I'm still seeing if I can make firefox handle media types correctly with this extension, it's better, but not perfect, this should not be an add on to firefox.

However, this extension seems to only work by inserting itself between the media file and the player, which makes it fairly annoying for real useage. So it's not a real fix from what I can tell at the moment, for example, I can't get it to play m3u files without a second click.

slh: something very clearly went wrong in firefox, I don't know if it was because the main firefox developer got hired by google or what, but something changed significantly at 1.5, and the change was not for the better, at least for Linux users.

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Titel: RE: Tweaking firefox/iceweasel  BeitragVerfasst am: 17.10.2006, 05:36 Uhr



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Actual the save dialog is rather easy to fix:
Get Windows-like "save" dialog window in Firefox

As root, you'll need to edit a file in the components directory in Firefox/Thunderbird install folder. You'll need to navigate to the folder in /usr/lib that corresponds to your current version of Firefox and/or Thunderbird and then from there to to the components folder. For instance, if you're using Firefox version 1.5.0.7, simply navigate to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox-1.5.0.7/components. The same goes for Thunderbird. The following steps apply to both Firefox and Thunderbird-

Open up the nsFilePicker.js file with your favorite text editor. Now, find this set of lines:

compMgr.registerFactoryLocation(FILEPICKER_CID,
"FilePicker JS Component",
// *really long comment here*
"",
// *really long comment here*
fileSpec,
location,
type);


and change it so it looks like this:

compMgr.registerFactoryLocation(FILEPICKER_CID,
"FilePicker JS Component",
// *really long comment here*
FILEPICKER_CONTRACTID,
// *really long comment here*
fileSpec,
location,
type);


**IMPORTANT** Edit: To make this change take effect you have to reset the chrome registry in Firefox/Thunderbird.

The easiest way to do this is:

Firstly, make sure Firefox/Thunderbird is closed. Then, in Konqueror, navigate to the profile directory in your home folder (/home/yourusername/.mozilla/firefox/yourprofilename.default)

Once in your profile folder, delete the files xpti.dat and compreg.dat. These will be re-created once Firefox/Thunderbird are restarted.

Re-open Firefox and/or Thunderbird and test it out. Someone in the PCLinuxOS.com forum posted the info above: http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=10559.0

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Titel: RE: Tweaking firefox/iceweasel  BeitragVerfasst am: 17.10.2006, 06:05 Uhr



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craigevil, that's really funny, I just posted a very similar instruction on how to get around the broken firefox download mimetype issue too, not here though.

My directions are almost as convoluted as that by the way, including having to delete 2 files to get the changes going.

Hopefully, as most normal human beings can see, these are NOT 'user friendly' methods by any stretch of the imagination, and point to the core problem Firefox has now: in their efforts to become 'user friendly', they have forced me to learn some of the most convoluted tweaks and hacks I've ever had to use for any application I've ever used in my life.

I might as well just switch to vi for text editing at this pace and surf in only w3m if this is what 'ease of use' actually translated to in those twisted young minds.

However, thanks for the how to, I'll give it a try. Anything to not ever have to see that gtk file handler thing again.

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Titel: RE: Tweaking firefox/iceweasel  BeitragVerfasst am: 17.10.2006, 06:18 Uhr



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This is great, it worked! Now I don't have to click 2 or 3 or 4 times to go where I want to go to save something.

Getting Firefox functional in Linux is not a trivial job.

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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 18.10.2006, 02:24 Uhr
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Thankyou craigevil. That is so much better.
I also hate the way ff is so gtk oriented. I discovered that if you go to the downloads sidebar and select "open containing folder" it tries to launch nautilus.
I always thought the feature was just broken and moved along until I tried it again one day with gnome installed. This is the only time I ever load nautilus while using kde. One would think that FF would use the default file browser for the system rather than call for a pos like nautilus.
Personally I welcome iceweasel. FF 1.5 is so dodgey I've found myself using Opera more and more. (and of course I'm creating my own theme for it now that I use it Winken) Opera is so much faster than ff now it's a joke.

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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 19.10.2006, 20:39 Uhr



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Someone in IRC had problems viewing a site using Iceweasel, the site said to use Firefox.
The solution to that issue is to open about:config and change

general.useragent.extra.firefox value from iceweasel to firefox/1.5.0.7

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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 19.10.2006, 22:32 Uhr



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Since official debian iceweasel packages don't exist yet - and won't be similar to whatever is in use by these guys today - it can only be recommended against those experiments with unpackaged cruft littering the system.
 
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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 19.10.2006, 23:29 Uhr



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I don't imagine the Debian package of Iceweasel will be that much different from the one gnu.org already has available. Ubuntu already has a package for Iceweasel, no idea why Debian is taking so long to get it in the repos. The devs of gnu.org now have Debian devs and Ubuntu devs working along with them.

As for using it creating cruft, it is a self contained package that only creates one directory in your home directory, easy enough to delete; and very little chance of it messing anything up. No different than running one of the 'official" Mozilla pckages for Linux.

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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 20.10.2006, 04:10 Uhr



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GOODNESS GRACIOUS--I'm using FF 1.5.0.7 with 2006-01 & followed the instructions above with success, but have to say I'm all agog about how users find these solutions--it's amazing
Thank you for your efforts

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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 20.10.2006, 13:24 Uhr



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craigevil hat folgendes geschrieben::
I don't imagine the Debian package of Iceweasel will be that much different from the one gnu.org already has available. Ubuntu already has a package for Iceweasel, no idea why Debian is taking so long to get it in the repos. The devs of gnu.org now have Debian devs and Ubuntu devs working along with them.
You're wrong, it won't have anything in common with that stuff, except the name, as it will be a 100% FireFox 2.0 (not 1.5.x) clone with different branding , different packaging (which will be most of the trouble for derived packagers) and only moderate patching in etch's time frame - switching to GNU IceWeasel can therefore only happen after etch is release --> in january, at the earliest.
 
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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 20.10.2006, 18:28 Uhr



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Facts about Debian and Mozilla® Firefox®
Zitat:
Debian is going to replace Firefox® with a GNU fork called Iceweasel
Half-true. For the etch release, Iceweasel will only be Firefox® with a different branding. We are taking the Iceweasel name because it was already know as a possible alternative name for Firefox® when the trademark concerns have been raised more than 2 years ago (thanks Nathanael Nerode for this nice name, by the way). It appears that the GNU guys decided to start a fork with this name… that’s quite unfortunate, actually. Anyways, the plan is to get in touch with them to see what we can do together, but with the etch release approaching, we can’t and won’t do more than a rename for the moment


Wrong for now, but according to the gnuzilla mailing list Debian devs are working with gnu devs. I am not trying to start a flame war over IceWeasel , it works and isnt much different than Firefox, though I do find it is a little faster and doesn't tend to freeze as much.

Doesnt really matter one way or another, using a app that only creates 1 directory in /home isnt going to mess anything up anyway. So whats the big deal? Besides the "tweaks" in this thread apply to Firefox.
BTW thanks h2 for the mime type fix.

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The firefox (soon to be IceWeasel) package provides a hell of a lot more on debian systems than just the browser, it's also the reverse dependency of 277 (dropping to still 65 after dropping all locales from that calculation) gecko based or related packages in debian, messing with that will lead to desaster.


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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 21.10.2006, 09:02 Uhr



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If you have the mozilla suite installed, instead of editing Firefox's "nsFilePicker.js", you could just back it up and copy over the one from mozilla.

Don't worry, slh, making that change doesn't affect the default GNOME filepicker (unfortunately -- piece of crap).
 
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The gtk file handler fix/tweak is now in du-fixes-h2.sh as an option in Miscellaneous Tweaks. This will search for, edit, then delete all required files for all mozilla applications, so when you come back to init 5 land and restart firefox/tbird/ice* they should have nice normal file handler dialogues now.

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