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Titel: Why was Kanotix created?  BeitragVerfasst am: 08.10.2006, 23:04 Uhr



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What was/is the purpose of Kanotix?

I read where some say its a geek-box OS, others say its an OS suitable for Mom and Pop (although, mom and pop did not install nor does it seem they do more than web, email, word doc. which most desktop linux' do.)

So I ask Kano and his team, whats the purpose?

The arguments about why such and such distro is good, bad, other, just seem rediculous. Why did I go with Linux? It wasn't because it is a Free Windows replacment. I can't get my IRiver device to download from Napster with Linux (DRM), I have trouble watch video from the net (this is NOWHERE as easy as Windows), there are other things that are just easier in Windows. But that is the problem for me, I enjoy a challenge.

Every OS has it's purpose, it's audience, and either does good enough for that purpose or audience.

Is Kanotix purpose to burn MS to the ground? I don't believe so, I believe a tool was needed, Kano built the needed tool, then decided to share. And THAT SHAREING is what I see OPEN SOURCE is ALL about, human kind sharing knowledge for the purpose of building the tools we need for the task at hand.

If MS was to go after OOS and attempt to shut down the *nix's, then I would have hatred for them. I don't mean just make it agrivating to have Win and *nix to live together, I mean agressively alter standards.

I read the Slashdot about the release of OpenSolaris, it was the first time I have EVER seen so many pleasant post's on Slashdot, most (~90%) were very agreable.
I believe that if MS released Window to Open Source, Linux, BSD, OpenSolaris would see a steep decline in desktop users (NOT servers). Win already has all the software support, a well known name (Managers will hard to sway away from Open Windows than from Crashing Windows Smilie )

This is not ment to start any kind of wars. This is not Life or Death, but ALL about choice. Be happy that you CAN choose between Windows and *nix, and between Linux and *BSD, and which flavor of GNU/Linux distro.
 
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Titel: RE: Why was Kanotix created?  BeitragVerfasst am: 08.10.2006, 23:12 Uhr



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KANOTIX was created to offer you the best disto ever, ideal for home PC use and use on a workstation. It has the BEST hardware support (better than other OS, not only best among Linuxes). Use Kanotix for a long time and you will understand what I mean.

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Titel: RE: Why was Kanotix created?  BeitragVerfasst am: 08.10.2006, 23:53 Uhr



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I agree that Kanotix is great. That is why it is my Desktop OS. I also agree about hardware support. Which really I find bad. Not that Kanotix is bad, but that it is bad that Linux has been around for 15 years and NOW there is a distro with such excellent hardware detection.

1. Detects and utilizes more hardware than xxxx.
What else?


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Titel: RE: Why was Kanotix created?  BeitragVerfasst am: 09.10.2006, 03:28 Uhr



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kanotix is hell of a lot better than U****u for sure, and my vote's with Kanotix. Been using it for over a year and it has been very solid for the most part. Problems were fixed fast and any warnings about dist-updates are posted for all to see.
 
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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 09.10.2006, 08:51 Uhr



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Zitat:
Every OS has it's purpose, it's audience, and either does good enough for that purpose or audience.


It's just fine for me. A 'normal' desktop user with side interests such as photography . . so it was created for me?

Thanks Kano!

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Titel: RE: Why was Kanotix created?  BeitragVerfasst am: 09.10.2006, 09:13 Uhr



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I hate marketing speach - but you called for it:

1) KANOTIX detects and enables you to instantly use more different pieces of hardware than any other operating system today (including other Linuxes), without the need to search for drivers from hardware vendors' web sites or complicated installation routines. Everything comes ready on a fast live-CD, and can be installed to your hard drive just in a couple of minutes.

2) KANOTIX gives you direct and 100% compatible access to the worlds' biggest repository of software packages (more than 17.000 at the moment in Debian Sid), all of them free and open source, many of them in professional quality. No virus, no trojan - and again no complicate searching hundreds of web site for an application, and running dubious installers.

3) KANOTIX is free and open source and comes with free & priceless 24/7 support via this forum and chat (the IRC). Our support staff is friendly, helpful and very highly skilled - some of them are developers of this operating system themselves.

4) KANOTIX is not corporate driven, but community driven. Others might talk about humanity, but actually feeding a corporation - we are a community of volunteers who share a common goal - building the perfect operating system.

5) KANOTIX is extremely flexible and offers a bulk load of ready made scripts and meta-packages. You may use them to mutate it into a secure server system, a high class music studio, a professional graphics design workstation, a corporate desktop - or whatever you actually need.

6) KANOTIX is always bleeding edge technology, packed into a tested and stable combination which is ready for use. It is moving very fast, and will always bring to you the hippest and most interesting developments first. Recent examples are a digital VDR (Video Disk Recorder) or the 3D-Desktop "Beryl". KANOTIX is also one of the few operating systems where you can get a 64bit system with real 64bit compiled applications - and again providing the 100% compatible access to Debian Sid.

7) KANOTIX is multilingual - people from all over the world meet here and talk in their native, but also secondary languages. We believe in the power of shared and open communication and therefore don't split the community by countries or languages, but concentrate them. Many people here do speak several languages and are using them when helping you.

There is definitely much more to say - those are just the first one thoughts coming in my mind. Please add whatever you find fitting, we might use parts of this text for marketing KANOTIX in the future.

Greetings,
Chris

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Titel: RE: Why was Kanotix created?  BeitragVerfasst am: 09.10.2006, 14:30 Uhr



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That is what needs to be seen on the front page. Then maybe there would not be so much misinformation out there.
Sorry, Slam, I'm a business major Smilie with computers as my favorite hobby, next to restoring automobiles.
If anyone wants to why Kanotix is better, direct them Chris' (Slams) post above.

I just wanted to know if ANYONE could argue why Kanotix is better.

Also, what is it with Ubuntu. Did they try hostle take-over of Kanotix? I tried the Ubuntu system, but I really don't care for Gnome. And Ubuntu did not detect all my hardware.
Hardware detection is one reason I chose Kanotix.


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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 09.10.2006, 17:52 Uhr
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I use a few distros but Kanotix is by far my favourite which is why I spend so much time trying to make it look as good as I can.
With most distros you are just another face in the crowd, Kanotix is just the right size. It is small enough to be responsive to user's needs but not too small so only one or two people always get what they want at the expensive of others. This is a tight-knit community that looks after each other.
The hostility you see here towards Ubuntu is promarily due to the way that it is degrading real debian. Kanotix tries to be as pure debian as it can get and helps debian develop; it doesn't poach all the developers and then doctor the packages so they will only work with with Kanotix. How many times have you looked for a deb and found the only deb on offer is a Ubuntu one? Not good. What happens if Ubuntu hurts Debian? What happens to Ubuntu? It relies on debian. It is a crazy situation that has no real winners (except M$ perhaps).
Kanotix is about freedom, Ubuntu is about locking you in to the Ubuntu way and Ubuntu packages. One must wonder what Shuttleworth's true plan is.

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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 09.10.2006, 18:28 Uhr
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slam hat folgendes geschrieben::
I hate marketing speach - but you called for it:

1) KANOTIX detects and enables you to instantly use more different pieces of hardware than any other operating system today (including other Linuxes), without the need for searching for drivers from hardware vendors' web sites or complicated installation routines. Everything comes ready on a fast live-CD, and can be installed to your hard drive just in a couple of minutes.

2) KANOTIX gives you direct and 100% compatible access to the world biggest repository of software packages (more than 17.000 at the moment in Debian Sid), all of them free and open source, many of them in professional quality. No virus, no trojan - and again no complicate searching hundreds of web site for an application, and running dubious installers.

3) KANOTIX is free and open source and comes with free & priceless 24/7 support via this forum and chat (the IRC). Our support staff is friendly, helpful and very highly skilled - some of them are developers of this operating system themselves.

4) KANOTIX is not corporate driven, but community driven. Other might talk about humanity, but actually feeding a corporation - we are a community of volunteers who share a common goal - building the perfect operating system.

5) KANOTIX is extremely flexible and offers a bulk load of ready made scripts and meta-packages. You may use them to mutate it into a secure server system, a high class music studio, a professional graphics design workstation, a corporate desktop - or whatever you need.

6) KANOTIX is always bleeding edge technology, packed in a tested and stable combination ready for use. It moves very fast, and will bring to you the hippest and most interesting developments first. Recent examples are a digital VDR (Video Disk Recorder) or the 3D-Desktop "Beryl". KANOTIX is also one of the few operating systems where you can get a 64bit system with real 64bit compiled applications - and again the 100% compatible access to Debian Sid.

7) KANOTIX is multilingual - people from all over the world meet here and talk in their native, but also secondary languages. We believe in the power of shared and open communication and therefore don't split the community by countries or languages, but concentrate them. Many people here speak several languages and are using them when helping you.

There is definitely much more to say - those are just the first one coming in my mind. Please add whatever you find fitting, we might use parts of this text for marketing KANOTIX in the future.

Greetings,
Chris


Slam, beautiful Smilie that should be a sticky !!

Cathbard hat folgendes geschrieben::
The hostility you see here towards Ubuntu is promarily due to the way that it is degrading real debian. Kanotix tries to be as pure debian as it can get and helps debian develop; it doesn't poach all the developers and then doctor the packages so they will only work with with Kanotix. How many times have you looked for a deb and found the only deb on offer is a Ubuntu one? Not good. What happens if Ubuntu hurts Debian? What happens to Ubuntu? It relies on debian. It is a crazy situation that has no real winners (except M$ perhaps).
Kanotix is about freedom, Ubuntu is about locking you in to the Ubuntu way and Ubuntu packages. One must wonder what Shuttleworth's true plan is.


I agree 200% and then some !!!

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Titel: Re: RE: Why was Kanotix created?  BeitragVerfasst am: 09.10.2006, 19:47 Uhr



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turbowsr hat folgendes geschrieben::

Sorry, Slam, I'm a business major Smilie .


Well Kanotix is not going to fit into any business model as it,s existance is not driven by profit.
 
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Titel: RE: Re: RE: Why was Kanotix created?  BeitragVerfasst am: 09.10.2006, 20:45 Uhr



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titan, don't worry - we understud each other. Winken
turbowsr does what I did before, and he recognized that by listening to familiar language.
KANOTIX is very much ready for several different business models, compareable to MySQL, Apache and other great projects.
Greetings,
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Titel: RE: Re: RE: Why was Kanotix created?  BeitragVerfasst am: 09.10.2006, 23:43 Uhr



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Really, Kanotix not fitting a business model. And what business doesn't want to save cost. Say by implimenting Kanotix as its server/desktop. Wouldn't it be great as an IT and install a linux that finds all the hardware, sets it up with little effort? I see cost savings. The Kanotix team themselves may not be as profit driven so much as other Linux's or as hungry as some (MS) corportations. But they do fit a business model.
As a manager at a corporation, and knowledge of Linux, even Kanotix, I would more likely back an IT wanting to leave MS or other and go for Linux. Then it would also be easier to convence such a company to maybe allow or hire an employee to assist the linux community. That would be a person paid to work 8(or so) hours daily assisting the (Kanotix) community. The savings from not paying license fees would pay the wages. IBM does this, Sun has it for OpenSolaris, Red Hat, even more.

So just because I am a business major, does not mean I want to steal Kanotix away and profit from it. Making a successful company isn't all profit, it's alot to do with saving money also.
I just see things in a different way. By the way, I am double major, Computer Information Systems and Business, I will graduate with 2 degrees. Mostly because PC's are my hobby, but I do plan on having my own business. I would impliment Linux (Kanotix) and use or build software needed.

The enemy of Open Source is not big business, it fundimentalism. Ask Stallman.
 
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Titel: Re: RE: Re: RE: Why was Kanotix created?  BeitragVerfasst am: 10.10.2006, 09:29 Uhr



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Really, Kanotix not fitting a business model.

The Kanotix team themselves may not be as profit driven so much as other Linux's or as hungry as some (MS) corportations. But they do fit a business model.

As a manager at a corporation, and knowledge of Linux, even Kanotix, I would more likely back an IT wanting to leave MS or other and go for Linux.


So just because I am a business major.

By the way, I am double major

I will graduate with 2 degrees

.


We are talking about Kanotix

From Wikipedia
For example, a definition from Osterwalder, Pigneur and Tucci (2005) is that a business model is:

a conceptual tool that contains a set of elements and their relationships and allows expressing the business logic of a specific firm. It is a description of the value a company offers to one or several segments of customers and of the architecture of the firm and its network of partners for creating, marketing, and delivering this value and relationship capital, to generate profitable and sustainable revenue streams.

Notice in the last sentence " to generate profitable and sustainable revenue streams"

No corporation will base it's IT structure on a Linux distro based on Sid. There is a world of difference between theory at University and the real world.
 
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Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Why was Kanotix created?  BeitragVerfasst am: 10.10.2006, 10:58 Uhr



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Theory at University? What theory is this?
I am at University as a career change, not fresh out of high school. I have several years experience in the corporate world, I wanted something different than what I was doing.

Nowhere did I say a business would use Sid (Debian-Unstable). But because of the give and take, the purpose of Open Source, the best parts of Kanotix could be put into a stable distro. Look at the side bar. There is a tab for "Stable" release of Kanotix.

"Well Kanotix is not going to fit into any business model"
Kanotix is an operating system. It will fit INTO a business model. But I believe you ment "Kanotix team/community would not fit any business model" Kanotix team/community is not a business. You cannot define a community by using business definitions. So YES Kanotix will not fit a business model, because it is not a business, it is software. Kanotix, as a software, WILL fit INTO a business model, as a tool (just as I stated previously) to drive cost of doing business down.

The second part of your statement "it's existance is not driven by profit."
Driven: to press or force into an activity, course, or direction (webster's)
Profit: a valuable return (webster's)
What is Kanotix team/community's Profit (return on investment)? It is usage and acceptance of the OS, the product. Kanotix would never have been started if there was no 'return'. There are 1000's linux distros, besides Kanotix. ReRead Slam's(Chris's) list, thats a valuable return.
Profit does not mean money. Look at the Wikipedia definition "to generate profitable and sustainabe REVENUE streams". That, broken down further, says "to generate (a valuable return) [on] revenue streams".
Revenue: the total income produced by a given source (webster's)
"to generate (a valuable return) [on] (the total income produced by a given source)"
That is a Business Model.
Correctly, Kanotix(team/community) does not fit, because Kanotix cannot be defined as a business.
 
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Titel: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Why was Kanotix created?  BeitragVerfasst am: 10.10.2006, 11:32 Uhr



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Nowhere did I say a business would use Sid (Debian-Unstable).

Kanotix is an operating system. It will fit INTO a business model.

Profit does not mean money..



Kanotix is SID, the last official stable Kanotix release was December 2005. If Etch releases in December as planned Debian stable will has a similar release cycle and be better suited for business use with a rock solid reputation and regular security releases. Kanotix is solid as released but there is no mechanism for security updates apart from regular upgrading wihich can cause instability.

Profit means gain, in business, financial gain, we were talking about business models.

I love Kanotix and have used it for two years but it is not a distro for business use. Even Linux majors like Novell and Red Hat struggle for corporate desktops.

I think the confusion stems from my earlier post, when I said Kanotix does not fit into any business model, I meant for itself ie it's routemap to profitability.
 
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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 10.10.2006, 12:29 Uhr
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I think this idea of fitting everything into business terms is what is fundamentally wrong with western culture. We try to assign cost and return on everything. Any reward is seen as profit, any effort is seen as cost.
When one helps a friend, the effort is a reward in itself. To place a value on your time and expect it to be repaid in some way is atrocious. The fact that people talk in cost/profit terms when dealing with compassion or basic human interaction is a sad reflection of the fascist times in which we live. Why must we weigh everything up in front of black Osirus for evaluation?
The open source movement doesn't fit the capitalist model in any way. It is not about money and it is not about return for effort. It is about people banding together to help each other out. Effort is not required for return as the effort is in itself a return of it's own and is optional anyway.
This is why the corporate world can't deal with Linux/GNU. They don't understand it and think they can fight it using business tactics; after all, we are led to believe that you can fit everything into that model. The harder they push the bigger it gets. The movement is actually a reaction to the inhumanity of the capitalist/fascist model. Attacks on the movement merely highlight the inhumanity of the attacker and draws more people to the cause.
Imagine if Walmart treated the Salvation Army as a competitor and tried to drive them out of business. People would rally to the Salvo's defence just as people rally to defend Linux/GNU. Linux/GNU isn't a competitor; it's an alternative. That distinction seems to be lost on the business mind.

Screw the fascists, don't play their game. If you think in business terms they've already won.

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Titel: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Why was Kanotix created?  BeitragVerfasst am: 10.10.2006, 12:34 Uhr



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@titan: Please do us a favor and mark your personal opinion as such:
Zitat:
I love Kanotix and have used it for two years but it is not a distro for business use.

That might be true for you and your business, but it is definitely not true for many other businesses who already rely on KANOTIX and have found it fitting into their business model.

Doing business is mostly about balancing risks and fitting them into his a "business model". KANOTIX comes with advantages and risks, as any other operating system does.

The KANOTIX community itself is not a business, but businesses are participating in this community - which is something they do because they profit from doing so. You will find many examples in this forum, here is a nice (and awarded) one for the beginning: http://kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-19560.html.

Greetings,
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Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Why was Kanotix created?  BeitragVerfasst am: 10.10.2006, 13:58 Uhr



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I would like anymore said, to be in addition to Slam's(Chris's) list.


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Titel: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Why was Kanotix created?  BeitragVerfasst am: 10.10.2006, 14:40 Uhr



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slam hat folgendes geschrieben::
@titan: Please do us a favor and mark your personal opinion as such:
Zitat:
I love Kanotix and have used it for two years but it is not a distro for business use.

That might be true for you and your business, but it is definitely not true for many other businesses who already rely on KANOTIX and have found it fitting into their business model.


Chris


Chris

Anything I write here is of course just what I think. I guess what we believe is influenced by our experiances. I have done some business consultancy work for small businesses and computing was not very high on their priorities. They want a name they know (MS) most had never heard of Linux. It is amazing to see intelligent people who have set up and run mostly successful businesses fail to get to grips with basic computing. I would think that most on the forum know that Kanotix technically is better than most distros and of course suitable for business use but it lacks the hand holding support that most businesses need. I suspect that your involvement with Kanotix give a different perspective on business use.
On a more positive note I have introduced a small two man business to Kanotix with rc1 on one laptop and will be installing the next stable release on four machines.

It must be the way I write but this is the third thread in as many weeks that have become confrontational so I will just stick to less contentious issues, not worth falling out over.

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Titel: @Cathbard  BeitragVerfasst am: 10.10.2006, 23:34 Uhr
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Cathbard, that was beautiful, just beautiful. These words will echo in my mind for a long time to come. Bravo!


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Titel: The Cathedral And The Bazaar  BeitragVerfasst am: 10.10.2006, 23:41 Uhr
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Slam. your introductory post about why Kanotix is better was excellent.
If we do think about business and Kanotix at all, i recommend people to read
"The Cathedral And The Bazaar" by Eric S. Raymond.
It's in the O'Reilly catalog: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/cb/

Most of it is accessible for free if you do not want to buy:
http://catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/

This is not for Slam, i trust he has already read it Winken
 
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Titel: RE: The Cathedral And The Bazaar  BeitragVerfasst am: 11.10.2006, 00:29 Uhr



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Already read it.

The true essence of open source is sharing, and expecting nothing for your efforts (as Cathbard pointed out).

This animosity within the community toward business, and ignorance(average Windows user) OF the community are the reasons why acceptance is soo difficult.

A few bad apples in corporate world have given an incorrect view of business.

Why does Linus work for a business?
Were does Stallman work?
What about the majority of the community?
Even those self employed, it is still a type of business?
Or is everyone within the community sharing $$, food, clothing, etc.?
Or maybe it's all on wellfare?


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Titel: Re: RE: The Cathedral And The Bazaar  BeitragVerfasst am: 11.10.2006, 01:17 Uhr
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turbowsr hat folgendes geschrieben::
Already read it.

When I say community, I mean all that contribute, and use products under any Open Source license.
What I don't get, it seems some people do not want to share at all. It seems they want it all to be some secret society(cult) that keeps GNU to themselves, and not share with anyone.

Well guess what, IT is out there. Businesses are using it. There is nothing you can do to stop it, except withdraw yourself from the community.

It is no long 1990's, this is a new mellinia. The true essence of Open Source is sharing, and expecting nothing for your efforts (as Cathbard pointed out).

This animosity within the community toward business, and ignorance of the community are the reasons why acceptance into business is soo difficult.

A few bad apples in corporate world have given an incorrect view of business, as well as the abundance of bad apples (fundimentalist) within the community has given Open Source a bad appearance.

Why does Linus work for a business?
Were does Stallman work?
What about the majority of the community?
Even those self employed, it is still a type of business?
Or is everyone within the community sharing $$, food, clothing, etc.?
Or maybe it's all on wellfare?

Business will not go away. It's been around since Mesopotamia.


Linus works for the OSDL and is a *** censored by slam for legal reasons ***.

Stallman: well.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman#Lifestyle Lachen
The majority of the community are unemployed, ofcourse.
Self-employed...hmm..
I've sent a Perl Llama book from O'Reilly to Kano, does that count?
Wellfare, i thought, is spelled as 'welfare'. But what does an unemployed,
commie, parasite anti-capitalist student like me know, right Winken

Anyways, you're given us the "This is a capitalist world, it's all business,
get with it or get lost" nonsense. Ofcourse there is business
and there probably will be for a long time to come. The issue is not if you
conduct business, but how you conduct business. What you call
'open source' i'd wrather call 'free software'.
That's because i do not seek 'acceptance' from corporations. (which is
why ESR coined the term in the first place).
Cathbard explained exactly why that is, a few posts ago.

That said, i can see us doing support contracts for businesses down the line,
which is a better road to take in my opinion than trying to earn money from sale value.

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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 11.10.2006, 16:39 Uhr
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Business may have been around for a long time but so has torture and slavery. Just because much of the western world is adopting the fascist principles of corporatism and spiralling down the drain doesn't mean we all have to jump in with them.
Business is an optional element in a community, to make it the foundation guarantees that greed will be it's heart. Expect people to die in the street because they can't afford health care if you adopt a philosophy based on cost/profit.
Pushing harder won't make the round peg fit the square hole, the best you can help for is damage. It's better to find the round hole. I'm afraid I fit in the linux hole, it's one of the few avenues available to escape the fascists that hide behind their "business plans" and "mission statements". I'd prefer they shoved their blocks up their asses and stayed away from mine.

@locsmith: glad you liked my spiel. I think I'm just getting sick of the way people try to place a cost on things that don't cost. Some things just don't fit that model. It's getting so bad that farmers here get charged for the water they collect in their own dams because they stop it going into the rivers and lakes. So somebody now owns the rain falling from the sky. Where does it end? Mit den Augen rollen What's happening to humanity? It's losing it's humanity.

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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 11.10.2006, 21:14 Uhr



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Fascism: "a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition".(from wikipedia quoting webster's dictionary)

vs.

Capitalism: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market. (from webster's)

I see a problem here, Ignorance (mine).

Does anyone in here know what sheeple are?
These are people(the sheep) that don't really think for themselves, they just find someone that seems smarter and follow the leader (sheep herder or shepard). (Windows followers)

Ignorance is just the lack of knowledge. No one is totally ignorant. Usually we are ignorant of a fact, thank goodness for the internet and the vast knowledge available, or I would be lost. :LOL:

The only reason I said I was a business major, was because Chris made this comment "I hate marketing speach - but you called for it:".

Yes, there are bad business's out there, I can't fix them, you can't fix them, but we, together, can refrain from doing business with them. Whether it's not purchasing their goods, or removing their software from your computer.

It is a business that feeds you,
It is a business that built your living quarters (unless you are in a cave)
It is a business that allows you access the net
It is a business that manufactured the parts within your computer

There are business I do not have anything to do with, if I can help it.


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