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Titel: LOL ...... Petition against RTFM
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piper,
reading that pseudo-language will lead to eyecancer and sudden leghastenia.
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piper, and for that matter, devil28, and Cathbard...
leetspeak is completely idiotic, immature, and, as said before, childish...
If you really want to be, technical, we should all post in Binary, or Octal, or, even Hex... As my significant other said, she heard someone once say: its the 21st Century, we dont need proper grammer -=- and its not just the kids doing this, but many adults... just goes to show, if you cant sing, or play an instrument, be a Rap artist, if you cant type, spell, or communicate properly, use leetspeak... What is the world coming to? BTW, if we degress any further, I am going to have to get my "Captn Crunch Secret Decoder Ring" and start posting in "code", just to mess every one up, just like having to read a "non-sensical" language... |
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I have noticed a disturbing tendency on game forums towards illiteracy. It is becoming so pronounced that it's scary. Punctuation and sentence structure seems to be an alien concept.
One sentence often encompasses multiple paragraphs. I even see things like "so um yeah we should ............" It's like they are just writing what they are thinking. These aren't 10 year olds I'm talking about either and they are from all over the world.
The worst offenders are more often than not leetspeakers as well. Your comments are quite accurate Cuddles, I think leetspeak is often a method of concealing illiteracy.
I used to think science students were bad but compared to leetspeakers we are regular D.H. Lawrences.
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More than 80% of internet users world wide are not native English speakers - now imagine how terrible difficult to understand leetspeak might be for them. It sometimes reminds me of the encoded secret kiddy languages we created at school for private conversations. 
Seriously, the decrease of education and respect scares me. I was a fighter for "our" free internet those early days when everything started, but today I am not sure anymore if all that was really such a good idea. Our net today is mostly busy transporting stupidity, ignorance, tastelessness and dumb agressions.
I thank you all very much for beeing such an intelligent, respectfull and interesting community here at Kanotix!
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Cathbard,
To be honest, I didnt do very well in English, even though it is my native tongue. I barely passed my classes. For that reason, I knew my "niche" in my career was not going to be anything that contained "english". This was a reason for me getting into computers, programming, and the like. I count myself as a statisttic, but, I dont credit the "educational" system for my lack of knowing, or understanding, the English language, it is SOLELY my fault. In many ways, I "hide" this inadaquacy, by, using smaller words. If I figure the word is misspelled, I just use a word that I do know how to spell, to replace it... In the case of "inadaquacy", in which, I think I did misspell it, I would have used, instead, "I hide this inability ..." -=- I get by, and in most cases, my "infliction" can be "over come" by, not getting into it... I can still communicate my feelings, and get my point across, but, I fear, that, many can tell the problem. I could never "pick apart" a sentence... I know what a vowel is, a verb, etc... I just cant pick apart a sentence structure... So add me to the growing statistics....
Slam,
Actually, Thank You! As the old saying goes... What goes around, comes around... You, and for that matter, Cathbard, are the most "intellectual", "respectful", and "interesting" people I know, and I enjoy communicating with... Most of your posts, and replies, are, factual, from the heart, and down right, a pleasure to read... As a wise person once said, vulgarity is the ignorant persons friend, when you dont have a large education, many times a person will "drop down" into this area... I dont think I have "EVER" heard either of you two, ever, get to that point. I think that proves your "worldly", or "educational" backgrounds.
I think leetspeak is the un-educated, anti-intellectuals, way of not being "vulgar", but, still, along those same lines. I hope to have many posts, in which, I can still communicate "effectively", and hopefully, not show my ignorance in my own native language. I have had many times, that I have "wanted" to drop down, and just rant vulgar streams of profanity, and have, "held back", for respect, and courtesy, of anyone, and the person I am directing to. So, thank you Slam  |
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There is a big difference between a limited vocabulary or difficulty with spelling and the level of illiteracy I was referring to. I don't expect perfection and in many ways it is not necessary or even welcome. There is such a thing as casual language, I do it myself. Getting to the point quickly and succinctly often requires some abbreviation. Kano says more in one short sentence than most people say in half a page.
I remember a situation when I was at Uni and was doing a common course with humanities students. The minimum number of words for an essay was 500 and the maximum was 2000 (or something similar).
All the engineering/science students screamed, "How can you write 500 words on that?" All the humanities students complained, "How can we possibly condense it to 2000 words?" 
I was also far from being a superstar in English at school. In my case, I didn't care when it came to the final year because I knew I could get a complimentary pass. All I needed was high enough marks in all my other subjects which were all maths and science. Any dexterity with english came from reading lots of books. I also have a small dictionary on my desk when I get stuck on spelling.
Your posts are always quite clear Cuddles and are far from being in the illiterate category. It is practically illegible when one sentence runs on for half a page with no punctuation and worse still, leetspeak. That is the level of illiteracy I am talking about.
Perhaps there has always been this degree of problem out there but the nature of the internet has revealed them whereas before we just never saw anything these people tried to write.
PS: I have been known to use the odd swear word but hey, I'm an Aussie. There are countries in the world that have censored our government funded tourism ads for obscene language.
"Australia: Where the bloody hell are you?"  Apparently that's offensive in England and a quite a few other places.
We normally see a difference between swearing to somebody and swearing at somebody. Sometimes I forget that other countries are more sensitive to such things but I don't seem to have crossed the line here yet. Nobody has censored me or complained yet so I hope that is the case.  |
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Cathbard,
First, thank you... I think the problem of my education being "failed", comes from two things. One, I was "forced" to attend school, "forced" to take classes that "I" didnt, or wouldnt, want to take if I had a choice, and, lastly, my school was in a very "gang" related area ( Los Angeles, CA ). For the better part of my "formal" education, which was 13 years, I saw my education, and the location of where I got that education, as a "survival" game. I figured, that, if you could survive 13 years of "daily" being in this environment, you "deserved" to graduate.
After I got "through" my elementary, Jr. High, and High School years, I then went on to Community Colleges, which, I might add, was not only NOT the same environment, but, also, subjects, and things, "I" wanted to take. I had read, through a lot of my "formal" education, that, many "Socialist" Countries, have this form of education system; ones that are provided for people, or, there "subjects", as a offering to the ones who "want" it, and not "forced" on them. Which, I have heard, those forms of educational systems are far supeior to that of the "forced" educational system that is here in the USA. I had always thought that was a better way of doing it, than, that, of what the USA does. I had heard that people were tested, and what they were "strong", and "tallented" in, they were "provided" the education to excell in those areas. Whereas, those, who didnt, just got the remedial. So, for most of the years of my education, I was "searching" for what my "niche" would be in my "future" career goals. My parents never "forced" me to follow in there "career" footsteps, and never gave me any clue as to "where I should be going" with my life, I was left to that, alone. Amazing that it took to the time I was in College, before I realized where I wanted my "job" to be going.
As for the initial subject of this thread...
Sheesh, I thought the article was **censored**! Ignorant! And, down right, immature! It would have had more "credability" if the numb-nut didnt do it in leetspeak, not to mention, it wouldnt have led to giving me a headache just trying to read the DAMN THING! I am quite sure, that, University, and Masters Degree programs, the final disertation that they most do, is PROBABLY NEVER done like this, leetspeak. I gave up reading, or more likely, trying to decypher it, by the second OATH promise... I agree with the author, RTFM is a, well, not very nice way of "poking someone to do something for themselves", but, to use the whole article to advertise the fact that the author can communicate in leetspeak, is just plain childish. I think, if someone reposted that EXACT SAME article, using PROPER letters, the article would have been a wonderful reading material, not to mention, possibly, getting people to follow the "jest" they were trying to get across.
BUT, I think using the leetspeak, throughout, the article, they almost SURELY made any reader of the article think that some poor demented CHILD wrote it, and, furthermore, "mom and dad" must have taken there CRAYONS away from them, because the author would have wrote the whole article with them, if they did have them. "leetspeak", in my humble opinion, degresses a persons "impression" of someone using it, by, say 300 IQ points. Using leetspeak, gives me the impression, not, that the user is intellegent, but, rather, the opposite. The more they use it, the more I think I am communicating with one of our "distant" relatives, the APE.
So, as for the subject... and not the article, ( dont force me to read that POS again! ), I can say, it is a problem. I had posted, quite a while back, and on another forum, actually, where this Distro is based (loosely) on. The article (or post) was a break-down of why the whole RTFM attituide was such a bad stigma, but, also a negative stereotype of our culture. In short, if showed that many of the people who get this kind of "RTFM" responses, are people who have pulled out all there hair, lost almost all of there own mental awareness, and, are, as a last ditch effort to regain reality, asking for help. They are surely, at wits end, frazzled, nerved, and have probably busted at least 5 (five) keyboards, because of all the twenty pound force they have been applying to each key-press. They are asking a "simple" question, to get something resolved, and, someone, not understanding that this person is in the state they are in, gives them a rash response like: RTFM!
In looking at this from the frazzled persons point-of-view, you might as well suggest better ways of commiting suicide, and be working for Suicide Provention Hot Line.
Now, lets look at this from the "helper's" point-of-view... You have extensable knowledge of the problem, do not have time to work on helping someone "with a problem like this that IS BELOW your intellegence", and want to help people with "BETTER" or more "SOPHISTICATED" problems. Your resolve, send them off to the manual, case clossed, and they get there answer, right?
I remember when I started in Linux. Everything was new, everything was foreign, everything, was, in short, catastrophic, if you didnt know what you were doing, and, you didnt. You were not alone, but, you didnt want to be a "newbie" for the rest of your life. As a wise man once said: It is not so much that you have the answer, but, rather, where you can find it at. -=- So, you post, you give as much information as you can, you dont want to get flamed for being unable to provide enough information, so, you probably, go overboard. You wait, and then, you get a response, after waiting three or four days, in a constant state of "OMG My system is dead", and all it says is: RTFM! Nice, very nice, that helps me immensly! I have, on many occassion, provided more information, nothing short of downloading my complete hard drive, into a thread, only to have someone, finally, post, RTFM!
So, where is the medium, where is the "common" likable ground, so to speak?
A person, chances are, is coming from a Windows OS, over to "trying" some Distro of Linux. The person has had more of there share of responses of: Just re-install... Gut your complete system, and just install from scratch. And, as far as I know, that isnt the case in Linux. In many occassions, Linux, doesnt require a person to go down to this level, and in many situations, it is simply a re-install of a small package, or a "tweak" in a config file. As you learn Linux, and grow to understand it, you know this, but, that Windows person doesnt, they see it all as a "blue screen of death".
I have said this before, and I will always be happy to say it, I worked as a Phone Support Tech for Microsoft, I took thousands of calls for supporting the OS, back a way. I did the best job I could, and NEVER ditched, or "screwed" anyone calling me, for the support they needed to resolve WHATEVER they were calling about. I considered it a priviledge, an honor, and a MORAL and ETHICAL thing, to give them what they needed, in a timely manor, to resolve the issue. For that, I paid for it in longer call times, and less people I helped, but, the ones I did help, got fixed.
I could have given them the RTFM assistance, but, many of them, were not in a state that that would have helped them, in many of the cases, they were about to throw the whole complete, monitor and all, out the window, of a six story building, onto poor unsuspecting, innocent, bystandards. In short, I would not only be handing them a loaded gun, but, instructing them on "proper" usage in killing someone else. First, and formost, I had to calm them down, then, we could get what the problem was, and then, finally, resolve it. This whole process was met with tons of "will this hurt the system?" "is my data still safe?" "can it be fixed?" and, lastly, "why am I doing this?"
These people ranged from University Proffessors, to Network Administrators, all the way down, to, a kid trying to defeat the passwords that mom and dad set on protecting the system from lil' Johnny going to porn sites. In a few cases, I was not able to help resolve there problem, like in the last situation 
I still use that "technical expertise" in deal with people, even in Linux. It comes in handy. I have NEVER ONCE said RTFM in any of my responses. If anything, I would assist with a problem, and then SUGGEST, in future, to possibly, see if you can find your own answer in the man pages, but, I never resolved a problem with the simple four letter acronym. Why? People are "reaching out" for assistance, asking, pleading, and they not only DESERVE that assistance, but, I think, they should be ENTITLED to DEMANDING it. The problem is, at least with Linux, most of the assistance is "free", most of that assistance is, whoever is logged in at the time, or can catch a subject of a thread that they can help with.
This problem, stems from poor structured Subject Lines of topics, who would ever think that a simple network problem is hiding in a thread topic of "Help!" or "I'm a newbie, need help!" -=- these kinds of subjects usually get overlooked, and unanswered, at least in the "other" forum I work in. A well crafted Subject Line is the key to getting the right people to read your problem, and, ultimately, getting it resolved. This fact, though, is usually an "unwritten" rule of posting, of which, most newbies dont know, and just increases there frustrations. People who are trying to assist, get just as frustrated, but, when a problem arrises for them, they have the knowledge of how to post, how to get answers, how to follow the "rules", and usually get the resollution faster, and with less fatigue.
RTFM -=- maybe, the ones who use this, and solely use this, as a response, should look back in there own "learning" experiances, and immagine, if, they had gotten that kind of response when they needed help, if, they, would be where they are today. Would they be as learned in something as they are now? Would they have any COMPASSION for helping any one else with a problem? Would they have any concern, interest, or even, respect, for someone else who is having a problem? Honor, respect, and the like, is hard to attain, but, so easily lost. You have to "want" to help, "want" to assist, and "want" to work with someone to resolve a problem, not just take the "cop out" attituide of pointing them to a manual, in which case, they PROBABLY already did. Standing back, and saying "Why? Didnt you understand it?" "Why?"
Sheesh, worse thing I think I could ever do to a poor unsuspecting newbie is send them off to a man page... Sheesh, some of those are so hard to read, even IF YOU DO know what you are doing, let alone, if you DONT. I come from a place where people help others, people who have knowledge "freely" give of it, without an attituide, without dissrespect, without being demeaning, and degrading. I think others are out there like me, and, in many cases, we seem to find each other. Having knowledge is nothing without the respect, and honor, and compassion, for others.
So, now the big question... If you liked this article, or felt, that, what I was saying "moved" you, would you also feel that same way, if, lets say, I did it all in leetspeak? -=- haa haa haa |
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You don't have to be in a Socialist country to get a choice in subjects. In Australia there were no compulsary subjects in the final two years (yrs 11 and 12) of High School except English. One began to specialise in Year 10 but there are still a few compulsary subjects.
In Years 11 and 12 I did pure science and math subjects plus the compulsary English. That was Physics, Chemistry and Pure and Applied Maths. (there was also Computer Science in year 11 - Fortran on punchcards....lol....I am getting old aren't I?).
I guess we don't have the gang atmosphere here, it's all very civilised by comparison. It must be hard to study when you have to think about being shot.
If you'd written that article in leetspeak I wouldn't have bothered to read it all. I'd rather not take headache pills if I can avoid it. |
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| This thread is hard to read after the amount of vaporisers i have had today. Maybe i should share...... |
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| Cuddles, I too hate leetspeak, but had to learn a little as where I worked before (building computers) they used it as a type of shorthand lol. I know where your coming from in the "gang" environment, it is the same here. |
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wegface hat folgendes geschrieben::
This thread is hard to read after the amount of vaporisers i have had today. Maybe i should share......
May I suggest change to a bong for reading  as for sharing, I think you should |
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cuddles: agree on the original story being pretty dumb, but disagree about new users having the right to not do any work to solve a problem then to demand that you solve it for them.
There are a few key differences I see: when you did ms phone support, it was your job, you got paid. I get paid to do phone support to, and though I want to say rtfm, I dutifully read it myself, google the question myself, then give the answer. I get paid for that, so I do it. Plus I like the people, they try, but they just don't have tech savy heads. They are good at other stuff though, which is why they have the money to pay me, so it works out.
However, there's a very wide range of newbies out there. Some bang their head against the wall, try to solve the problem, give up then ask for help. Those ones are definitely worth helping. Others do nothing, get annoyed when their zero effort fails to achieve success, then demand help like spoiled little imbeciles. Those newbies do not deserve help as far as I'm concerned, although if someone feels like helping them that's nice, but in most cases it's a waste of time and energy, since the person isn't learning how to think for themselves.
I see this all the time, it's especially bad with programming, people will post a very poorly thought out question, with no code written, and demand the solution. This gets especially absurd when it's clearly someone who is working for money, and who wants you to create their solution for free. I see this all the time, especially for some reason from india, don't ask me why.
I read the eric raymond thing on posting intelligent questions, and I have to say, after having done paid support, and running my own forums, and having supported some gpl scripts for years, this is pretty much how I feel. The more work a newbie does to try to solve the problem on their own, the more likely I am to help them.
I follow the same idea myself, I try to avoid asking a master of some discipline for free help without first putting a very significant amount of time and energy into finding the solution myself. This is how you learn.
To me, one of the biggest dangers for linux forums and users is trying to support windows refugees who are not willing to do the work that is required to master this type of os. I don't like the sense of entitlement that seems more and more common nowadays, do nothing and demand everything. That's not freedom.
The whole point to me of using open source and free software is to free yourself by learning how to take care of your stuff. Sure there will be commercial distros etc that will cater to the person who just wants to turn it on and go to work, that's how it should be, but I don't go to their forums, and I don't use their products. And I definitely don't spend time helping those companies offer free support to their customers and users.
In most cases, I avoid asking for help, I try to rtfm, and I read books on the stuff I'm trying to learn. I don't ask people to do something I wouldn't do myself.
I agree that asking a newbie to read a man file is not particularly useful, since man files only make sense once you sort of understand how linux type systems work in the first place.
However, I also didn't move to linux until I felt like I could actually start handling linux for real. That came from playing around with different distros for years, learning little things along the way, reading great books like o'reilly's 'running linux' for example. I don't think kanotix, for example, is a good beginner's distro, unless you just install it and then don't change much. It's a great debian doorway distro, but that's not the same thing. You should have some sense of the cli to use this one, otherwise you miss too much stuff.
I don't like the attitude that magically some fairly complex discipline should just be understood instantly without doing any work to understand it, I don't understand where that idea came from, nobody thinks you can work on a car without experience, or do engineering, or whatever, but for some reason people think that computers can be used with no skill or understanding or education. This is probably the number one cause of viruses and computer security issues in the world today, and it's a direct outcome in my opinion of ms, apple, adobe, etc marketing.
It wasn't easy to learn how to use windows effectively, and it's not easy to learn how to use linux effectively. Newbie users should learn that the first and most important thing that they can learn is how to learn.
I agree that this is not easy to do in the US, education here tends to really suck, not always, not everywhere, but it tends that way, kids learn to not learn, they learn to pass tests, but they rarely learn to think. |
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To the person who wrote the article,
Dear Person,
If you have taken the time to write in some form of sanskrit, Linux/UNIX CLI, should be a walk in the park. Opps, I am sorry, you probably dont read and write in english, my apologies.
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| h2: This attitude that everything should be handed to you on a plate is becoming widespread. Perhaps it's because of the destruction of the family. The western world is full of spoilt little mummy's boys with ADD (Absent Dad Disorder). |
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wegface hat folgendes geschrieben::
This thread is hard to read after the amount of vaporisers i have had today. Maybe i should share......
First of all... Linux is "open source" and free, so it can be shared....
For that matter, wegface, you should not only share, but, provide source code... Maybe, even compile it and provide it in a .deb package so we all can apt-get install it too |
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Cuddles hat folgendes geschrieben::
wegface hat folgendes geschrieben::
This thread is hard to read after the amount of vaporisers i have had today. Maybe i should share......
First of all... Linux is "open source" and free, so it can be shared....
For that matter, wegface, you should not only share, but, provide source code... Maybe, even compile it and provide it in a .deb package so we all can apt-get install it too
LOL never thought of it that way That was good Cuddles |
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Thinking of l-speak (l in this case stands for **censored**) I always have to think of Mark Twain's "plan for the improvement of English spelling":
"For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which "c" would be retained would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with "i" and Iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali wonse and for all. Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants. Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivli. Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld. "  |
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Well, you would have have a lot of fun when following the last German language reform. Instead of doing something really usefull (i.e. finally getting rid of those complicated useless rules when to capitalize a word, and when not), they invented a real new feature: The tripple consonante - yes, no joke! Since then you will find interesting words like "schifffahrt" (=shipping), and other interesting creations. Most native speakers have serious trouble now to spell correctly ....
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