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Post subject: Debian Etch now really close to release
 Posted: Mar 30, 2007 - 01:11 PM
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Post subject: Re: Debian Etch now really close to release
Posted: Apr 03, 2007 - 10:18 PM
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Daniele wrote:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/03/msg00023.html
Absolutely not. There are still 26 bugs to be solved:
http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/
It's been moving up and down from 25 to 40 bugs for almost a month now. Maybe it's only bugs on the 13th CD of the M68K platform, but this crazyness may go on for years.
I personaly have enough of this. I'll be moving on to a Red Hat based distro. Fedora's doc is much better and some commercial software I'm looking to buy only offer support for Suse and Red Hat, which I find very understandable.
Those people can't deal with the time loss of happy-go-lucky distros. |
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Post subject: Re: Debian Etch now really close to release
Posted: Apr 03, 2007 - 10:57 PM
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GP wrote:
I personaly have enough of this. I'll be moving on to a Red Hat based distro. Fedora's doc is much better and some commercial software I'm looking to buy only offer support for Suse and Red Hat, which I find very understandable.
Those people can't deal with the time loss of happy-go-lucky distros.
Well, one of the two Libranet developers moved to CentOS, for that matter.
But personally I find Debian testing more stable and usable than virtually every distro which releases on a regular basis, with the possible exception of RHEL and CentOS (and possibly SLED), but these 3 are enterprise class distributions. |
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Post subject: Re: Debian Etch now really close to release
Posted: Apr 03, 2007 - 11:34 PM
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Daniele wrote:
Well, one of the two Libranet developers moved to CentOS, for that matter.
Daniel De Kok, not to name him 
Daniele wrote:
But personally I find Debian testing more stable and usable than virtually every distro which releases on a regular basis, with the possible exception of RHEL and CentOS (and possibly SLED), but these 3 are enterprise class distributions.
It depends what you're after. Fedora 7 test3 has been released on 2007/03/29 and Fedora 7 is due only May 24th. So, I figure, for desktop use, it most probably will be both up to date and fairly stable. For a server, I suppose you're better off with CentOS. |
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Post subject: Re: Debian Etch now really close to release
Posted: Apr 03, 2007 - 11:59 PM
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GP wrote:
Daniele wrote:
Well, one of the two Libranet developers moved to CentOS, for that matter.
Daniel De Kok, not to name him
How do you know that? Are you another Libranet refugee?  |
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Post subject: RE: Re: Debian Etch now really close to release
Posted: Apr 04, 2007 - 02:31 AM
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| Does Fedora have a social contract? That is what distinguishes Debian. I am currently fully upgraded in experimental so I still have the latest and greatest. |
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Post subject: Re: Debian Etch now really close to release
Posted: Apr 04, 2007 - 04:18 AM
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Daniele wrote:
Are you another Libranet refugee?
No. But once you've heard about De Kok's association with Libranet, it's even easier to learn about his new association with CentOS. I follow Linux development quite a lot. |
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Post subject: Re: Debian Etch now really close to release
Posted: Apr 04, 2007 - 04:32 AM
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GP wrote:
Daniele wrote:
Are you another Libranet refugee?
No. But once you've heard about De Kok's association with Libranet, it's even easier to learn about his new association with CentOS. I follow Linux development quite a lot.
I see. I wouldn't know if I weren't a former Libranet user. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: Debian Etch now really close to release
Posted: Apr 04, 2007 - 04:41 AM
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jackiebrown wrote:
Does Fedora have a social contract?
Thanks the Lord, no! They don't have time for this kind of business. What they're into is offering a GPLed distro.
Fair enough for me. |
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Post subject: Re: Debian Etch now really close to release
Posted: Apr 08, 2007 - 05:20 AM
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One week later, Debian is no closer to release. As of today, there are still 24 bugs. As I explained they might be on the 13th CD of the M68K architecture, but they're considered "release critical", no explanation is given and one week after the 1st of April, which would have been fun, 4 months after the first announced release date, Etch isn't out.
Countrary to what Barth pretends, it's got absolutely nothing to do with quality. It's got to do with too many people masturbating with silly principles.
I'm completely pissed off with Debian. I don't understand how anybody in his right mind would want to be laughed at by this bunch of stupid morons. |
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Post subject: Re: Debian Etch now really close to release
Posted: Apr 08, 2007 - 12:41 PM
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GP wrote:
One week later, Debian is no closer to release.
Actually it's very close, probably today or tomorrow even. See here for more info. |
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Posted: Apr 08, 2007 - 04:06 PM
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Posted: Apr 08, 2007 - 08:08 PM
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The_Seeker wrote:
Then, can you explain how come Etch is released with 24 "release critical" bugs?
Sun Apr 8 16:19:00 UTC 2007
Number concerning the next release: 24
<http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/>
Does anything have a meaning at Debian's? |
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Posted: Apr 08, 2007 - 08:16 PM
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GP wrote:
Then, can you explain how come Etch is released with 24 "release critical" bugs?
If I was a developer perhaps. |
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Posted: Apr 08, 2007 - 08:30 PM
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The_Seeker wrote:
If I was a developer perhaps.
I'm sorry. Users are supposed to make sense of plain english. I only goes to show how you just can't depend on Debian. |
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Posted: Apr 08, 2007 - 08:53 PM
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GP wrote:
I'm sorry. Users are supposed to make sense of plain english.
I'll leave you to interpret their reasons for releasing then |
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Posted: Apr 09, 2007 - 11:43 PM
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Most probably they did not include those 24 packages in Etch. K3b was not in Sarge for example when released but was in testing before the release.
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Posted: Apr 10, 2007 - 03:59 AM
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| GP, did you have a point, or did you just come here to troll? If all you intend to do is bash Debian Etch, please go away. |
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Posted: Apr 10, 2007 - 04:36 AM
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eco2geek wrote:
GP, did you have a point, or did you just come here to troll? If all you intend to do is bash Debian Etch, please go away.
I have been told I can be rude so I did not say anything. Thank you, eco2geek, for saying what probably a lot of us have been thinking. |
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Posted: Apr 10, 2007 - 06:39 AM
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jackiebrown wrote:
eco2geek wrote:
GP, did you have a point, or did you just come here to troll? If all you intend to do is bash Debian Etch, please go away.
I have been told I can be rude so I did not say anything. Thank you, eco2geek, for saying what probably a lot of us have been thinking.
I second that. |
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Posted: Apr 12, 2007 - 05:12 AM
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Bill wrote:
Most probably they did not include those 24 packages in Etch.
Most probably... You like distros where you have to deal with "most probable" outcome on release critical bugs? Some people call being worried about release critical "Debian bashing". Are you one of those?
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K3b was not in Sarge for example when released but was in testing before the release.
That was because of licensing issues. Not bugs. |
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Posted: Apr 14, 2007 - 06:38 PM
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GP wrote:
The_Seeker wrote:
Then, can you explain how come Etch is released with 24 "release critical" bugs?
A release critical bug prevents the package from being included in "Etch". Etch (now stable) doesn't have known release critical bugs.
It sucks to be so consistently wrong on everything, doesn't it. |
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Posted: Apr 16, 2007 - 06:51 PM
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ice wrote:
A release critical bug prevents the package from being included in "Etch". Etch (now stable) doesn't have known release critical bugs.
False. Debian's official position is that all release critical bugs must be corrected before release. Packages or architectures with too many bugs are theoretically removed, at the latest, at the freeze stage.
Now, I won't try to make any sense of what Debian pretends. Certainly, on the release day, the release critical bug count wasn't at zero. So, either Etch was released with bugs, or the bug count is a bad joke. What I'm saying is that what Debian does is anybody's guess.
It sucks to be so consistently wrong on everything, doesn't it?
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Posted: Apr 17, 2007 - 12:07 AM
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| It must, and to keep coming back just to make more of a fool of yourself |
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Post subject: Linux spirit
Posted: Apr 18, 2007 - 12:45 AM
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I think for the majority of us who enjoy working with and learning more about Linux in general and who really appreciate Kano's hard work in the development of Kanotix, we welcome positive contributions, tips and comments.
The negative, complaining attitude can be left out, however. If one does not like Debian, why not just stay off this forum and go to an RPM or some other system?
Cheers. |
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